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Topic: Video of the F-14 crash sunday,
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Razer
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posted 06-21- 03:37 PM
   
remove this when you want. http://wire.ap.org/APpackages/video/0618airshow_crash.html ------------------
Tony "Razer" Martin
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ArgonV
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posted 06-21- 04:50 PM
I must ask, were the pilot and co-pilot killed? This is such a huge tragety.  IP: Logged |
Stark
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posted 06-21- 09:50 PM
Yes, they were both killed in the crash.It's pretty odd, they were both instructors in VF101, the pilot with more than 1100 hours of flight time in the F-14 and the RIO had over a 1000 hrs. The way it pitched over in the video looks like an engine failure - or a very strange stall. Really wasn't enough time from whatever the problem was for the pilot to even identify what happened let alone adjust for it. Must be rough on the families, they know their husbands/dads do dangerous work but to lose them at an airshow... well, my prayers go with their families. -Stark IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 06-21- 09:53 PM
I was also wondering what caused the roll after the pullout. I doubt the pilot was trying to show off.IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 06-21- 10:02 PM
well, I don't mean to sound hurtful etc... but it looked to me like he did actually mean to roll, especially since after exiting the roll he banks to the opposite side.. I'd be tempted to say he stalled the left wing after performing a roll to the right followed my a climbing bank/turn to the left, but hey, I'm no real pilot, and those F14's are a little complicated..~Nat~ IP: Logged |
Aladar
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posted 06-21- 11:32 PM
I saw something very similar to this in an old footage of a GeeBee, but those things were FUBAR from the start. My dad flew F-4 Phantoms and he has seen alot of crashes (sorry to say) so I'll ask him what he thinks tommarow. I saw a airplane crash once, I recall I was at the Confederate Air Force Air Show, in Texas somewhere, when a guy did a loop too low to the ground and just PLOP smacked into the ground. Urghh.. thats a troubling thought. My prayers go out to the famalies lost in the F-14 crash.------------------
Aladars ONLY project, the Bristol Scout
"Don't move, if we scatter, he'll pick us off! Stand Together!"~~Aladar http://fightersquadronworkshop.homestead.com/MainPage.html IP: Logged |
ArgonV
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posted 06-22- 03:14 AM
I do believe he stalled the wing after looking at the video agian. It would not be an egine burnout because you would tell a difference in the sound. But he did not intentionally go into that roll. When he banked after the flyby and increased the angle of his craft, his right wing stalled at such a low speed and angel of the plane. Thus causing the plane to roll. And when he attempted to recover, he tried to nose up too fast at a low speed and the craft stalled agian and caused the plane to loose lift on both wings. On jets of such size at low speeds this is unforgiving (I analize plane crashes as a semi-interest) I hate to say this but I have done such a thing in jet sims with the F-14 and other planes. In ATF (remember that sim?)I could point the SU-27 Flankers nose up at 45 degrese and caused a controlled stall thus the plane droped out of the sky flat. That F-14 almost did the same thing in that video but the pilot could not control it and caused the wings to slip. This is my opinion. IP: Logged |
JG300x_Hartmann
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posted 06-22- 11:26 AM
If you look at it closely it almost seems as though he flamed out and then stalled and was unable to pull out. This was a simulated landing on a carrier correct? So he was already going fairly slow.... (180 maybe?) Just such a tragedy...........
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Stark
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posted 06-22- 01:25 PM
I don't know, these guys were both instructors, and in Naval aviation that means they were the best around. I was talking with my boss about this and showed him the video (former Phantom and Eagle driver and instructor) and he says the inverted roll looked intentional to him and that he has done similar many times at airshows. He also mentioned that most dual jet engined AC can experience a loss of power in one or both engines when low over a field with lots of thermals or cross winds due to changes in air supply to the engines (basically one intake gets caught in the wind shadow of the plane). He came close to nosing in a couple times during low and slow show approaches due to this phenomenon.He was looking at the video and says that the wing did indeed stall but if the engines were working normally that the pilot would have dropped them into afterburner, burned the hell out of the tarmc and grass below him, and simply blasted out of there like hell on wheels till he hit a 'safe' altitude. He also noted that the engines of the F-14 are known to do strange things sometimes at low speeds, like fail to throttle up quickly. Ah well, it's all idle speculation done from one grainy quicktime video - I guess we'll have to wait for Navy and the FAA to decide what really happened. -Stark IP: Logged |
JG300x_Hartmann
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posted 06-22- 01:33 PM
I agree with you and your instructor Stark.... At low speeds those engines produce vortices that disrupt engine flow..... just one mistake and I guess that is all it took.IP: Logged |
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