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slk unregistered	posted 05-21- 09:19 PM Is our brother Britain turning communist, well I see on the evening news here in the states that the British government is requiring Internet Providers to channel all their internet activities through MI5. Which is the equivalent to our own CIA or FBI. This includes all email, web sites visited and other activities using the Internet. This is to me nothing short of communism. Now you see what little fuck hacks and virus spawners create for us folks that use the Internet for legitimate purposes. Do you understand why I get so pissed off. If this happens it is only a matter of time that it happens in the US. I realize this may need to be placed in flame as I'm sure that it will be no fire very soon! Fuck you hackers!!! Psi IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 05-21- 11:45 PM ROFLMAO!!!! IP: Logged
slk unregistered	posted 05-22- 12:29 AM Argon, Really not meaning to be rude or anything but where do you see humor in this post??? Psi IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-22- 06:03 AM Spanky here.. LOL Really man. You know about echelon? Why arn't you bitching about that? Also As long as YOUR not doing anything wrong you should be fine I'm not saying I like it though. IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-22- 08:35 AM slk, If there was rational for this, that would be one thing, but just "being careful" is communist in nauture. Governments start acting like bad parents, always saying "no" just to appear like they are doiong the correct thing. I like the way you blame hackers, I imagine most hackers, usually anti-goverment, would be upset to find themselves the cause of such drastic measures! The sad mistake hacker's make is assumimg that there is no difference between big business and government. Attacking big business only helps convince the government that total control of the vatal infastructures is required, that is, that private business can not take care of critical business such as communication and trasportation. I am glad that the airline industry is private, but I do relize that some things may be best run by teh govenment, like roads and maybe hardware that supports the line of communication... like telephone wires, etc. I should be a case by case thing, where ctitucal thinking and deduction are used to make rational dicisions. I do not think that owning the actual information of communications is compatitble with a govenment that supports freedom and capitolism. -Sv IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-22- 08:37 AM it's all true though, although it has not been implemented yet, it goes before the Commons sometime this year.. and even though I wont be here when it happens.. I aint happy about it, it probably wont be passed.. but if it does, I see the UK becoming the home of encyption, they say that you must give them your encyption key if they want to look at something, but fuck em, I'd be out using anom. proxy servers all the time, and find the baddest encyption I could.. wankers aint snoopin through all my illeagal (in the UK) porn! IP: Logged
slk unregistered	posted 05-22- 09:22 AM Well maybe if I knew what echelon is I would bitch! Care to fill us in??? Psi IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 05-22- 09:55 AM We have a company in the US that uses banner adds to keep tabs on us, I can't remember the name, but I read it in a margin story in Wired magazine. The compare that company to the Russian FTS (?) or some conglomeration of letters. The company has a edge over the Russian collection agency. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 05-22- 10:10 AM I find it funny as hell cause the country that has basicly ben anti-communist for as long as I can remember is becomming a hipicrit. I also find it funny cause you said "fuck you hackers!!!" IP: Logged
slk unregistered	posted 05-22- 11:54 AM As with a lot of so called "Free countries" Argon... Psi IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-22- 12:39 PM You mean DoubleClick, Whirlwind. I think DoubleClick is not a good thing... a small fix in the web standards could wipe them out in a blink... they found a hole in the system... -Sv IP: Logged
ReaperMan Pilot	posted 05-22- 01:06 PM Well it's a good thing the CDA didn't pass here in the US. It would prevent me from saying anything offensive, defamatory or derogatory on the internet. And that would FUCKING SUCK!! Nat, kiddie porn is illegal here in the US too! ------------------ -=TheReaper=- IP: Logged
Whirlwind Pilot	posted 05-22- 02:09 PM I guess wiping out your cookie directory would be a good use of 'Windows Scheduler' or however you spell it. Yep, DoubleClick was what I was thinking of. Nothing like taking a thick mag along with you while your woman shops for cloths. I got tired of the 'stop following' and 'ready to go already?' plus other wonderful comments regarding you not having anything else better to do than follow her around like a puppy as she caruses Ann Taylor. They never have anything in my size, or it clashes with my blue jeans. There is a new URL substitution exploit out that allows a vicious cracker type person to suck cookies off of your system. IP: Logged
Diego Lozano Pilot	posted 05-22- 02:29 PM ALL governments slowly erode "personal" freedoms. Before you know it, you wont be able to own a gun, buy porn or drink after 2am...oh this allready happens here in the good ol' USA land of the FREE! IP: Logged
Mighty General	posted 05-22- 02:48 PM Echelon is an urban legend that contends that some Three-Letter-Organization here in the US has computers set up to listen to all phone traffic and uses voice recognition to watch for keywords. This legend has been around since the '60s. I don't believe it anymore now than I did then. 1) The computing power isn't available on that kind of scale. B) There's no central choke point to intercept all those phone calls. As for the proposed British law. Just from a practical perspective, how in the world do they think they can handle just the raw internet bandwidth of an entire western nation? On a government budget? Yeah, right. And on top of that they want to try to flag certain activities as good or bad? If this were in the US I'd think it was some politician who's just trying to make noise before an election on a subject about which he doesn't have a clue. IP: Logged
prowler8 Cadet	posted 05-22- 02:55 PM You guys might want to check this out.... http://www.planetcrap.com/stories/23/ hope that link works-1st time I've tried posting one! IP: Logged
slk unregistered	posted 05-22- 03:32 PM Prowler8, Thank you for that http// I found it to be very interesting. All should read this link that Prowler8 has posted... Psi IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 05-22- 06:23 PM LOL Reaper.. thats not what I meant!! Hardcore porn is illeagal in the UK, I don't think maney realise it, but it's true.. think I got about 50 years hardtime on my puter so far.. LOL IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 05-26- 10:18 AM I think it's a good idea. I also think that the people that are worried about this issue are the ones it will be designed to kick up the arse and hopefully banish to D block. lets face it at some stage in this ever growing information highway all governments will have their finger in the pie. And to be hounest just the mention of child pornography in this post sickens me. If your not happy about a organization keeping tabs on these kind of sick people then watch out because your next. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-26- 10:37 AM Spanky here.. Bulldog. Where was child porn mentioned? Mighty, I recently seen a big time news angency covering it. Supposedly alot of there computers crashed. I never belived it either, I would say I do know, I'm just saying theres more evidence supporting it IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-26- 10:46 AM Spanky here... Mighty http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/29/echelon.spy/ http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/01/29/nsa.computer/#r hmm I looked around and found the computer crash i was talking about. Echelon isn't mentioned in the story, I could have swore it was. Guess I was wrong Or was I ? [This message has been edited by Spanky the Mad Dog (edited 05-26-2000).] IP: Logged
Mighty General	posted 05-26- 03:03 PM They never say who the 18-page report is from. And even it simply lists "well-informed news reports" as their source. Still sounds like an urban legend to me. Again, the logistics make it pretty unlikely. IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-26- 06:56 PM Censoring of information goes on every day, so what's new? All depends on what you think is going to affect you. ------------------ IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 05-27- 02:11 AM I have yet to understand the relationship with communism here. I mean you don't have to be communistic to be a dictatorship. In fact capitalism isn't synonymous with democracy at all, it goes along very well with dictatorship. I see it like this: communism vs. capitalism dictatorship vs. democracy Now, before you call me a commie, I know there hasn't been something like a communist democracy. It can't probably happen. You americans have been so well taught to assimilate "communism" with "evil" that you seem to fail to understand that something that goes against freedom of speech etc. is not necessarily communism. IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-27- 02:49 AM Look at the paranoia with Mccarthy, hell if you were one on the blacklist at the time, communism would have been freedom in itself! ------------------ IP: Logged
Poodle EAF322 Pilot	posted 05-27- 07:56 AM Totally agree with Pachy here. This whole thing doesn't have anything to do with communism. Maybe a bit totalitarianism. capitalism --> companies rule the country --> modern Russia communism --> government rules the country --> USSR dictatorship --> one man rules the country illegaly --> some general in south america communism and a dictator usually go allong very well. Same with nationalism (although hitler wasn't a dictator). Also, no country in the world is really democratic. Btw, the same thing that has started this thread happened in holland once, where the justice department asked a provider (my provider) to send through e-mails and things like that of suspects. But thankfully the provider said they wouldn't co�perate. [This message has been edited by Poodle EAF322 (edited 05-27-2000).] IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 05-27- 10:59 AM Poodle, I hope you're not saying that Capitalism = companies ruling a country. It could mean that in it's most extreme form but that's only in theory. It has never happened. Two points to consider when defining modern capitalism, at least in the US: 1. Small business (mom and pop family owned, start-ups, under 100 employees, etc.) is the driving economic force in the US, despite the publicity the larger companies get. Both job and economic growth come from the small capitalists. 2. What makes capitalism work in this country is a balance of power between business and government and the voter. Neither rules the country (the voter does theoretically but that's another story) but each influences the other. The balance does tip back and forth between the three over time but always swings back. If the pendulum ever stops swinging and the balance remains tipped in one direction then the ride is over. IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 05-27- 03:27 PM I also agree with Pachy....it has become too often a question of labels. The entire world wants to label everything....put everything in nice neat little cubicles. It is being done, too, unfortunately. But it shouldn't. I do firmly believe that a combination of what we refer to as Capitalism ( this IS now a form of government ) Communism, Socialism, and Democracy and/or Republic can exist; it is called Utopia, and no one I know has found it yet... As I prize personal freedom above all else, I would likely not even be happy with Utopia. Hehehe...I could wake up tomorrow morning a multi-billionaire ( millions are nothing anymore in the US - nearly poverty level, hehehehe ) and within hours I would find plenty to dislike about it. (Heading up the list would likely be the IRS! If any government agency in the USA should be completely scrapped and rebuilt from scratch...or not rebuilt at all...that's the one!) Wouldn't mind trying it, though! ------------------ nealg=FC= [This message has been edited by nealg (edited 05-27-2000).] IP: Logged
Isatheprophet Cadet	posted 07-24- 06:43 PM : Britain is more right wing than ever, and the USA sounds more nazi like than ever. Well that is what i see on the forum posts. God no wonder making fun of the americans is a national sport here in the UK. You are so sensitive. No seriously i think the new goverment controls on the internet are crap. I think they are doing it now any way, but it is another one to come out in public. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 07-24- 09:02 PM Actually, America isnt Nazish at all. (I live in America) But over here they are talking about putting a sort of "e-mail watcher" in with the F.B.I. But people in congress are dissing that soo bad I doubt it will pass. And as for you bloody bloaks making fun of Americans... can you fake an American accent? Cause we can do English ones pretty well. IP: Logged
Kraftwerk Pilot	posted 07-25- 06:30 AM Let me submit the following: (use british accent for maximum immersion) COME ON YOU REDS IP: Logged
Stark Pilot	posted 07-26- 05:30 AM Echelon - the monitoring of all land lines would be, as Mighty pointed out, nearly impossible... however, all satellite routed and transoceanic calls are indeed monitored as there are a relativly few points that have to be watched. This is not a secret and never has been - it is actually a duty listed in the charter for the NSA - which is a public document. Now as to whether they use voice recognition with pattern matching to find suspicious calls - well, you'd need a shit load of computer power for this one. But it certainly is within the realm of possibility if extremely unlikely. On a related note - one of the jobs of the facility at Cheyenne Mountain (commonly called NORAD - but thats just part of it) is "Monitor all electromagnetic transmissions possible within the bounds of the of the United States". That's straight out of a congressional hearing minutes on the need for Cheyenne Mountain in '92. If you followed that directive to the letter you would have to monitor every cell network, shortwave, radio station, pager, handheld radio, CB, telephone, etc... one of the congressmen actually asked if they were following the directive to the letter - the guy who was being questioned (a Col. as I recall) almost laughed out loud, he finally responded with "as technology and our budget allows". -Stark IP: Logged
Poniat Pilot	posted 07-26- 06:20 AM Gentlemen (it's not for ladies' ear what is to follow, mind you)! Being of completely (to my knowledge) good mental health I would like state the following: Fuck the communists! [ladies may listen now ] No, I don't suppose Britain is becomming in any way more communist (with all that privatisation going on, clause 4 dropping etc.) that it has been so far. No danger here. It is just a question of terminology. I don't mind anyone using the word 'communist' to describe the lowest of the low. One worning though: thus the term is getting "devalued". Any form of thought control must be a bad thing in this case it just seems harmless in comparison to what the REAL caused. Big brother mentality of our REPRESENTATIVES and SERVANTS is really worring, though, whether in the UK or a former commies dominated country. It seems more out of place and may piss off people of the 'free world' more, they have never been brainwashed for a few generations and thank God they can see what's going on more clearly. Salute to all IP: Logged

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