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Topic: A true classic - for Sunray and others.
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WM
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posted 01-19- 05:48 PM
 
Picture Afghanistan.Picture Western Soldiers. What colour uniforms are you imagining. Something like this?  Well guess what Canadian soldiers are going in! You got it, boreal green! American soldiers have said our guys look like bushes with guns. The government, *spit* *spit*, says "oh, they'll be better equipped for night fighting that way, and that's mostly what's going on in Afghanistan". Have they thought of shovels so our soldiers can dig holes to hide in during the day? Gvt officials go on to say "They'll have desert camouflage by the summer sometime anyways...". Oh, wonderful! Way to go guys! Newsflash, we're in Afg. NOW. Of course, in the meantime, if they want sandy-coloured capes to wear, they can have them. Now I'm picturing a tan-and-green version of superman.... how embarassing. I'm thinking that the next time a referendum comes up, the question should be whether the rest of us want to separate from Ottawa.  This "Gritlock" will be our undoing. ------------------
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 01-19- 05:55 PM
 
Yep thats pretty crazy. I do like the new camo though. If you think that sending them into Afghanistan like that is funny. Just imagine, a year or 2 ago they would have been in just plain green. Canadian forces JUST got true camo, just lately. Before that is was pure OD green. A bit late don't ya think? 
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Jerry+
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posted 01-19- 06:44 PM
It's such a boring looking landscape, a little color will help.  It will also allow the anti-American's to single us out and to leave you Canadians alone. You never see anyone burning the Canadian flag do you? Everybody loves you guys. IP: Logged |
Ground Pounder
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posted 01-20- 12:29 AM
WM , et al-- it's not the wrapping, it's what is in the package. the CF is going through a 5 year re -equipment program( Clothe the Soldier) all the stuff isn't sitting on a shelf! if it is that embarassing why does everyone keep voting Liberal ! ( just a coment from an old bald fat pissed off soldier)IP: Logged |
WM
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posted 01-20- 04:05 AM
Jerry - I'm still in awe people think that. All this 'people love us' stuff goes to a lot of peoples' heads. The whole sew-the-flag-on-the-backpack thing is something I refuse to do on principle. I bet anyone in Europe who has run into a Canadian, especially a young one, knows what I'm talking about. It's one thing to be proud, its another to be arrogant. We have our fair share (and then some) of AHs... Besides our elected officials, Sunera Thobani is a recent candidate for that position. I really hope you haven't heard of her.GP - Exactly. I wonder what they're putting in Ontario's water, besides E. coli.  I'm still mad as hell they took our base away and moved it to Redmonton. I'm not saying our forces suck, I'm saying they're being actively crippled by King Jean of Shawinigan. Werner ------------------
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Sunray
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posted 01-21- 01:39 PM
I've never seen any of our guys with the M209 on his Mattel gun either. The Liberals keep getting elected because Trudeau imported a whole bunch of immigrants and had the taxpayers pay for it. So now they're brainwashed into thinking the only government should be Liberal. Both the Liberals AND Conservatives have comsistently butchered the CF over the last 30 plus years. That Frenchman keeps committing our guys with no thought to logistics or numbers or equipment. The latest thing is him sending our guys to Afghanistan, but we have no aircraft to get them there. They want to charter a civilian aircraft but that means they take only what they can carry. NO EQUIPMENT.
Everybody does love us. It's hard not to love people who keep electing such morons.IP: Logged |
Pachy
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posted 01-21- 01:55 PM
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That Frenchman keeps committing our guys with no thought to logistics or numbers or equipment
Halt! Please keep us out of this! He's a Canadian! Or you guys are Brits!IP: Logged |
WM
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posted 01-21- 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Sunray:
That Frenchman
Now, now, Sunray, "Quebecois". Werner ------------------
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Blind Faith
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posted 01-21- 05:18 PM
Well Patchy you are half right..
And Werner it is Québécois, but out here we have another name for him ...
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WM
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posted 01-21- 06:47 PM
BF - Out here? You too? (Go Stamps Go! ) This isn't the first time I've been mistaken for being a sympathizer of that low-life rat-b... and yet I am really anything but! You couldn't pay me to vote for that party, Federally or Provincially. I know some people think that just because you're young you should be left wing, be rebellious, try and change the world etc. what a load of crap. In this country, being right of centre means you are a radical, a rebel! I've never served in the CF, but I support 'em 100%. Werner ------------------
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Blind Faith
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posted 01-21- 07:16 PM
Werner, why do you think I could so easily put the proper accemts in Québécois?I agree with you that the politics of Canada need to be retought. It is not only the army that suffers from this badly run pool of resources. Here is in Québec... We did try to split the vote (bloc Québécois) (I don't remember last elections split tho) like they did out ouest (Reform). At least it showed we agree to disagree and it also showed that there can not be one answer that will work accross Canada No mather the reason I am convinced(have been for quite a while) that the 1867 deal needs to be replaced. This event is just another demonstration of this. IP: Logged |
Werner
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posted 01-21- 10:46 PM
Blind Faith - I did all my schooling in French and would use the accents here where appropriate, but my computer is a devout anglo it seems. I don't know if you're a BQ/PQ supporter or even a separatist, but if there is one thing that Alberta and Quebec have in common moreso than any other province, it's the urge to decentralize power. Few people realize it, but Jean Chretien has more power over the Canadian government than an American President has over the American government. Hehe, I'm curious, what do they call Chretien in Quebec? Oh, and did you notice that the 2004 Election campaign was decided the other day? Yep, Chretien said "I had a walk in the snow last night, and I'm staying". Funny you know, I bet he's right! *grumble*... Werner ------------------
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AGAS - 5
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posted 01-22- 02:36 AM
Hi Werner You're right it is crazy.....even us Aussies who technicaly only have one field dress - DPCU (Disruptive Pattern Cam Uniform) - aren't that stupid. Some time back, oh about the time of the Gulf War I Guess, our logistic guys started buying desert cams. I'm not sure, but I think they just bought US gear. Quick, simple, cheap.....AND it did the job. It only gets issued to units/individuals that have been warned out for active service (not UN) in the middle east. Another thing to think about though..... Greens or forest/jungle cams do stick out like the proverbial in the desert.....however.... if you've ever looked over the iron sites (no scope) of a rifle such as the SLR, AK 47/74/ or SKS the black rear site is placed over the black foresite and then you focus onto the target......well, when the target is dark in colour, focusing becomes a real problem....particularly at long ranges (250m +)....I guess I'm saying that, regardless of the terrain, dark is not always bad. Cheers, AGAS 5 (P.S. I'll go back to that testing now )
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Werner
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posted 01-22- 10:58 AM
Thanks for the insight AGAS, I never thought about it that way. Still our Government can't worm its way off the hook for this one.Maybe our guys can pick up some spare desert outfits when they're being ferried on American heavy transports to Afghanistan... Now if the American government really wanted to do us a favour, they'd say no to letting our 750 guys + equipment hitch a ride, and really embarrass the heck out of the government. Werner ------------------
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Sunray
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posted 01-24- 03:10 PM
Last I heard the Yanks have already said sorry we're too busy. This is typical of government mismanagement for everything they do. They'd rather pay civil servants, who are neither, skilled wages for unskilled work and waste about $750 million to have a firearms registration bureaucracy than equip our guys with what they need. $750 million would buy a lot of desert cammies for the guys.
Oh and that pattern they have is useless everywhere except on parade. It's the third uniform change in about 10 years or so and it's still no good. IP: Logged |
Werner
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posted 01-25- 01:16 AM
That disruptive jigsaw puzzle look isn't effective? What is? I must admit I thought that while it looked modern as camouflage goes, it would certainly break up an outline. I tell ya, this country is going straight to hell. I hate to say it but maybe it will take getting sucker punched somehow before the Chretien backers will realize the military needs more money. Werner ------------------
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Jerry
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posted 01-25- 01:27 AM
Werner, you just don't get it do you? You're supposed to let your military atrophy. That way, the US gets to do all the dirty work and police the world, thus allowing the world community to call us bullies. Now days it's the US or the highly effective UN peace keepers who did so well in enforcing the weapons inspection in Iraq or protected the food relief efforts in Somalia. [This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 01-25-2002).] IP: Logged |
wat
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posted 01-25- 09:48 AM
Hey, you guys missed the biggest bone head / lack of support our troops receive, that picture was taken on Baffin Island in December while Canadian soldiers were on exercises! At least they gave him glasses to protect against snow blindness!wat32
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Sunray
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posted 01-25- 10:12 AM
From a distance, like 100 yards or so, all you'd see is dark green. The pattern is too small. The old CF Combat uniform was actually better than most cammouflage except maybe for Real Tree and a Ghillie suit. There are committees of officers whose sole job is to sit in meetings and decide what will be used. I had a senior cadet whose da was a pidgeon LCol who had been on the committee that decided what the Cadet uniform would be. This was back in the mid 70's. They decided to pick the ugliest one there was because it was for Cadets. They're still wearing it.IP: Logged |
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posted 01-25- 01:50 PM
Sunray- you're talking like a tree fell on your head. the CADPAT is ,probably the most effective cam pattern on issue any where. one of the results of field testing was the human body wearing the OD cbt was identifiable between 400-600 M. with Cadpat it is less than 200M. IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 01-26- 12:36 AM
Naw, it wasn't a tree. It's being out 15 years, being old, fat and not having been able to go shooting for way too long. Sitting on my butt in front of this machine has become my only hobby due to raging poverty. The Cadet uniform thing is true though.
And I'll have some Danish blue cheese with my whine if you have any.IP: Logged |
Werner
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posted 01-26- 03:07 AM
Jerry, I very much wish this were not the case, that the western world wouldn't have to rely so heavily on the US for protection. That's why I'm interested in the developments in Europe regarding armed forces. I mean, maybe NATO has outlived its usefulness, Soviet Russia isn't a threat anymore anyways. No matter what they do though, and that's a whole other can of worms I've risked cracking, government after government starting after WWII in this country have progressively sold us out. "Strategic Partnership". Bull****. We need strong forces and proper equipment instead of turning ourselves into a vassal state. What kind of partnership is it when we bring a handful of Coyotes, a couple dozen CF18s and a dozen Frigates to the table.Werner ------------------
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posted 01-26- 03:35 AM
Sunray- 1.am old, bald, fat, but still in,(after 29 years,ResF anyway)2. cadet uniform- so what , they are KIDS. 3. how about cabernet sauvigon!!? merlot , perhaps!?IP: Logged |
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