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Harm Pilot	posted 10-21- 06:00 AM Hi guys, Version 1.0 of the Fi 156C 'Storch' is ready for action. I was going to call this Beta 1 but I think you'll agree it's past beta stage? Anyway, it's pretty much complete but I welcome feedback on the plane all the same. And if a skinner wants to do a really great skin for it, they are welcome. I'll choose the best skin made (if any are) and use it for the next release. This plane has a requirement for a damage skin (3 actually) but I can do the damage effects for the skin that will be chosen for next versions' release. This plane supports 512 x 512 textures btw. See the readme for more information. Some pics: Download Information: Click here. Enjoy it, all and any feedback welcome. -------------------------- A.K.A Harman_5 [This message has been edited by Harm (edited 10-21-2001).] IP: Logged
Steffen Pilot	posted 10-21- 06:47 AM Hi Harman, view the pics, looking great, went immediately to simfiles, read the "readme´s" became curious, now d/l is ongoing. Slow conection, about 2K/sec. But I will fly your baby soon in the afternoon. Steffen IP: Logged
Rendsburger Pilot	posted 10-21- 08:06 AM Hi Harman, great i have been waiting so long for this plane and now it´s real just d/l and i will let him fly over Tobruk Rendsburger PS:what a big file for such small Storch IP: Logged
weasel Pilot	posted 10-21- 10:07 AM Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I have been waiting a long time for this one. Just awsome... weasel IP: Logged
weasel Pilot	posted 10-21- 10:07 AM Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! I have been waiting a long time for this one. Just awsome... weasel IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 10-21- 10:18 AM Sweet, this sucker looks cool. I have wanted this for a while too. I'll have to reinstall SDOE for this one. IP: Logged
SteveTheDrummer Pilot	posted 10-21- 10:25 AM Whopee Harman! I´ve got to do some serious fence jumping in this baby. Did you know so many landed in Sweden (26)that we formed a whole rec. squadron with them. Superb job done Harm IP: Logged
MkB Cadet	posted 10-21- 10:26 AM cool! Can it hover in high winds too? IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 10-21- 10:48 AM Beautiful job Harman, when do we get it? P IP: Logged
Maury Markowitz Pilot	posted 10-21- 12:46 PM I know this will sounds like I'm looking the gift horse in the mouth, but I notice a few minor problems. 1) the rudder should angle forward. It sort of does, but I can't tell because of (2) 2) the rear fuselage is too high, it should be as high as the top of the "K", even with the horizontal stab 3) the rearmost brace in the canopy should be much thinner than the rest 4) the horizontal stab had braces on top, but it seems only some of them had them? 5) it could use a radio mast and wire 6) there should be a skid at the back instead of a wheel 7) it needs the pitot tube on the left wing 8) and the scoops under the engine Check out: http://trfn.clpgh.org/ah/fi156.html http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/fi156.html The rear fuse, is that just a weird problem in the model? It looks like there's an extra bit or something. I like the cover over the exhaust stacks! If you send me the loadout file, I'll do a write-up for you. Maury IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-21- 11:42 PM Thanks guys, It can hover in high winds, of about 25mph. Lol Psi....you had me rechecking my post just in case. Err...yes thanks Maury. Hopefully for the next versions these things will be looked at and fixed. Thanks for the links. IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-22- 01:45 AM Well I just fixed the fuse and smoothed the engine model, version 2 is well on it's way. Maury, Re: no. 4 in the list above, all my sources of the C version have hstab braces so I'm guessing this is correct. 5) Have you any pics of the radio mast and wire in detail? I'm having some difficulty locating detailed pics of it. I'll get the loadout file off to you now... IP: Logged
Maury Markowitz Pilot	posted 10-22- 07:48 AM quote: Originally posted by Harm: 5) Have you any pics of the radio mast and wire in detail? I'm having some difficulty locating detailed pics of it. The best page in general is this one: http://www.hotel.wineasy.se/ipms/stuff_eng_detail_fi156.htm Ok, here's one that doesn't show the wire but has a good idea of the strut itself (and the tail skid): http://trfn.clpgh.org/ah/images/FI563.JPG The wire attaches _just_ forward of the very top of the rudder, see the first image here: http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmd/dtf/fi156.htm or the middle one here: http://www.eusebio.ch/Fi156.htm It seems that at least some of the planes mounted the wire out on the right wing back to the rudder, but I'm not 100% sure. Most newer planes don't have the wire because we're using VHF now and have those little whip antennas instead, so a lot of the museum ones don't have the wires at all. It's also likely that a lot of the planes didn't bother with radio anyway, and would have removed the attachment points. These images show the pitot tube out near the struts on the left wing, and the airspeed scoop under the engine. It seems some planes had two small scoops just to the right and left of the centerline, others had one small scoop on the right and an exhaust pipe on the left, and still others had a single larger scoop on the right: http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0511.jpg http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg0514.jpg This is useful too: http://trfn.clpgh.org/ah/images/FI564.JPG Maury IP: Logged
Sv JAG	posted 10-22- 08:53 AM And I do have nice pics of the cockpit if anyone wants to make a full photo-real one. There are neat gadgets in quite a few places ------------------ -Sv Wings with Wires IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-22- 09:03 AM Thanks Maury...great help indeed. I'm doing the wire right now and will model the engine scoop after that. I've mailed you the loadout.ppf also for the write-up. Once that's done, version 2.0 is just about ready. [This message has been edited by Harm (edited 10-22-2001).] IP: Logged
Maury Markowitz Pilot	posted 10-22- 09:31 AM quote: Originally posted by Harm: Thanks Maury...great help indeed. I'm doing the wire right now and will model the engine scoop after that. I've mailed you the loadout.ppf also for the write-up. Once that's done, version 2.0 is just about ready. Ok, I'll try to have the loadout back to you by tonight or tomorrow morning. Maury IP: Logged
Maury Markowitz Pilot	posted 10-22- 11:05 AM Ok, the write-up is done, I just have to make sure the format works when I get home. What version is this? C-3? C-5? Maury IP: Logged
hunter Pilot	posted 10-22- 04:17 PM Thank you ,Harm .Very nice job. IP: Logged
Diego Lozano Pilot	posted 10-22- 10:57 PM Great work as usual! I've flown this puppy around Tobruk and she looks perfect in her element. I did notice that the prop wobbles like it wasnt centered. One other minor thing. Could you possibly add the canopy frame to the fuse so that camo could be textured onto it. Right now there is one choice of color. May not be worth the pain. Other than the stuff you and Maury sorted she is a joy to fly...FM is damn near perfect BTW, if you can find a modelling mag called Scale Aviation Modeller International, there is a section on the Storch with some great high detail 3 views and color plates. If you cant find it I'll scan the stuff for you if you'd like. IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-23- 01:08 AM Maury, I'd say it's the C-5, was there much difference between the two? I just got your loadout, just needs a little formatting and it's fine otherwise. Thanks. Diego, thanks, I intentionally made the prop like that to give it some thickness when viewed side-on lol. I suppose it does look a little strange when not viewed completely side on. It is possible to texture the frame, currently it shares it's textures with other black coloured objects in the plane. It's probably best if I seperate it's texture or add it to the fuses one...I'll see if I can do it without much trouble. Oh and could you please scan those views for me when you get the time? Thanks IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-23- 01:35 AM No worries Maury, I just fully read the loadout you sent...I know the difference between the C-5 and C-3 now. I think mine should be a C-3 then... IP: Logged
Maury Markowitz Pilot	posted 10-23- 08:31 AM quote: Originally posted by Harm: No worries Maury, I just fully read the loadout you sent...I know the difference between the C-5 and C-3 now. I think mine should be a C-3 then... C-3 it is then! Would you mind changing the title from "Fi 156C 'Storch'" to "F1 156C-3 'Storch'". That's easier than a re-send. Maury IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-23- 09:01 AM No problem at all, very easily done. IP: Logged
SteveTheDrummer Pilot	posted 10-23- 09:04 AM Harman, great plane getting better I love flying around in "just" 175 kmph. As soon as v.2 is out and the canopy frame tex. is joined with the fuselage tex. AND when I can get some decent pics or any at all showing panel lines, I will have a go at a general German skin & and a particular Swedish skin (belonging to the "mountain storches" a north based photo rec. and rescue unit with a very funny insignia Steve Out IP: Logged
li'l bastard Pilot	posted 10-23- 03:53 PM hey, I found a nice story about the Storch in an old issue of Flight Journal: a Mustang pilot on a CAP over Paris spotted a Storch flying down low to the rooftops. The 'stang guy pulled down to chase the storch, but as the german saw him, he dropped between the buildings. Every time the american fired w/ his powerful 6 .50 cal guns, the storch, flying at less than half the stall speed of the mustang, would abrubptly turn 90 degrees into a side street. They played this cat-and-mouse game until the mustang was out of ammo; 1480 rounds of .50 cal had ricocheted around Paris, and the Storch continued on its slow-speed way unharmed... that's too funny! Something like the P47 and FW190 story... Btw, the Storch is a cutie!!!! Flies great, pulls up like anything else (especially w/ front wind), but maybe the stall is too abrupt, i was reading that it was very difficult to see her dropping the nose down(the stall speed was less than 40 mph). The landing gears look too weak tho, and the model lacks the "v" connection between the wings and the fuselage... Another nice things to add would be the fuel indicators, which dropped under the wings near to the cockpit, then the landing gears spoilers and the nose radiator... btw, one of the funniest planes around! It reminds me the ultralights planes I fly in real life!!! li'l b ------------------ *WHEN THINGS GET HOT RIDE ONE OF THESE* IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 10-23- 08:26 PM li'l bastard, did Flight Journal give a source? It's hard to believe a fighter pilot would fire that much ammo into the city streets of Paris. I do know that we refused to bomb Paris proper for fear of killing too many civilians. If this happened I bet he got his ass chewed. IP: Logged
Diego Lozano Pilot	posted 10-23- 11:55 PM Harm, Coffees ready.....check your mail. IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-24- 02:19 AM That's an interesting story...glad you like the plane, version 2 is almost ready to be shoved out the door, just one minor thing remains. I'm going to resist posting a pic because it'll ruin the surprise. Diego, I just checked, no mail yet. IP: Logged
SteveTheDrummer Pilot	posted 10-24- 04:25 AM A surprise, I love surprise so please no pics IP: Logged
li'l bastard Pilot	posted 10-24- 05:08 AM well jerry, there are no sources in the article, but lemme say that here in italy we still find unexploded american bombs when digging for a gallery or a house (the latest, a 1000lbs one, was found in august in a railway station not too far from my house)... so please don't tell me u avoided bombing urban centres, since the San Lorenzo (4000 civilians killed) suburb here in Rome was disintegrated only because it was near to a big railway station... that's war, they say, and I accept it, but please don't play the part of the good guys, cuz the Allied as well did a lotta shitty things during the war... li'l b IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 10-24- 10:04 AM quote: Originally posted by Jerry: I do know that we refused to bomb Paris proper for fear of killing too many civilians. lil'b - Note Jerry's statement. No mention of Italy, no mention of a wider policy towards bombing, no mention of a policy towards bombing of French urban areas, just talking about Paris, specifically. The subject of allied bombing is of course a legitimate one, but may I suggest it take place in another thread (perhaps another forum?) if at all. Top job on the Storch, Harm! Hmm, and a desert default scheme, how convenient. Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 10-24- 12:06 PM Sorry Werner, I can't let li'l bastards remark go unanswered. Yes, the allies did bomb urban centers of countries that declared war on them. Italy was with the Axis, remember? France never declared war on the Allies. But, like Werner said, I was only commenting on the Paris situation. Now, back to the Storch. IP: Logged
li'l bastard Pilot	posted 10-24- 04:03 PM y don't we go on talkin about this in the off topic? Btw, jerry, the bombing of italian towns was continued even after the italians joined the Allies... IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 10-25- 12:36 AM Thanks guys, I appreciate it, and I'm sure Hawk does too. Hey Jeeves, hot potato! Werner ------------------ Abbeville Field: Dedicated to the SDOE Experience. IP: Logged
Gustavo Pilot	posted 10-25- 01:02 AM Congratulations This airplane saw it in the film "they Attack the Eagles", where Robert Duval arrives in this airplane at the island of Jersey, to plan the murder of Churchil next to Donald Sutherland and Michael Cain ------------------ I./JG 27 Alle Messerschmitt bf109 IP: Logged
Harm Pilot	posted 10-25- 05:58 AM You guys are gonna love the new training missions that will be released with v2. Again I'll not say anything more 'til release which should happen within the next few hours. Cheers. ------------------ -------------- A.K.A Harman_5 IP: Logged
Vmartini Pilot	posted 10-28- 02:21 AM [quote]Sorry Werner, I can't let li'l bastards remark go unanswered.[/qoute] you can, you just don't want too, can't yopu both just ignore each other for a while? ------------------ vmartini@ntlworld.com IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 10-28- 10:50 AM Just like you did? IP: Logged
Loco Pilot	posted 10-28- 11:01 AM Congratulations Harm, The plane (version 2) is very nice and the feeling of flying It is great! Nice job. Thank You IP: Logged

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