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weasel Pilot	posted 09-14- 05:49 AM Just saw a news blurb on a ban on computer flight simulators. Hope it doesn't come to this... weasel IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 06:51 AM HOLY **** me neether IP: Logged
Wing Chaps Pilot	posted 09-14- 07:07 AM For the media to go there is just plain stupid. Not like I expect any better of them. I'm one of the ones that believes that it's a bit more complicated to actually fly an airliner than flying MSFS whatever. Even if he bought a yoke vice using a joystick. And if this were true, why were there only, as I understand, two airliner types used, and them with compatible cockpits. If it were as simple as flying MSFS, they could have used 747s and DC-10s, whatever! However, if I'm right and it's more complicated, then they could only get to one type of REAL simulator, and that's why really only one cockpit was used. Not to mention that if terrorists can disrupt our lives to that degree, their victory increases. I guess there's no equivalent 2nd Amendment right to own and bear flight sims. Who would have ever thought: Fighter Squadron: SDOE, the last flight sim you'll ever desire. Or be allowed to have... V/R, Chaps IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 07:31 AM wing chaps i think its as easy to fly an airliner into a building even without training. there is this thing that makes people think that piloting an airliner is incedably hard but i dont belive it. is so simple push the yoke forward to lower the nose pull it back to raise the nose turn the yoke to roll and then pull the stick back a bit to start a turn. k`mon i can fly a piper cub buy myself ( of corse i am not allowd to cos i dont have my ppl yet) but i can fly a whole flight with my dad just doing the radio and helping me navigate. IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 07:35 AM ok the systems my be alot more complicated but all u have to do is hit the auto pilot button and u away. IP: Logged
sk8orfate Cadet	posted 09-14- 08:06 AM i am not surprised. i mean heck a two dimensional space where i can block out the red and white outs,and change the flight 'model' has taught me how to fly any sopwith camel there is. man,you know..it is getting ludricous aint it.next that game the sims will be banned.(we will be living in a automaton universe where leave it to beaver is the dogmatic declaration of family and people shower in their clothes..) and yet..they say 'we will not sacrifice our freedoms...' ---image i get..remember the guys in the late 60's and early 70's that were walking with placards saying the end is nigh? change that to the great pong is among us. i am in a really messed mood today.that premise just adds to it. to tell you guys the truth.i have been into simulators since they began.not the big ones that airlines have.pc.and the only thing it has taught me is to appreciate exactly what our fathers and grandfathers saved us in.thankfully we can always press refly mission. even on the c64 back then,with the sims,say like m1tank platoon..i learned what it is that i should appreciate.not how to fly.i mean.heck.i cant fly a real plane if i tried.i know the distinction.this thing called gravity.air currents(i remember my dad's brother taking me up in a cessna..he served as a navy pilot in nam..i remember the plane was going sideways as well as forward...i have as yet seen a sim copy that.the media is a little kid looking for someone to blame,and is bleeding our emotions to the point of depletion..may as well just say it is mc donalds fault...heck(put a ban on big mac's..save the rain forest..). oh well..just woke up..anyways. i am not surprised by this though. IP: Logged
xomer Cadet	posted 09-14- 08:13 AM we'll do it illegally - come to Russia - it's all possible here! i mean we will distribute sims here by any media... ... [This message has been edited by xomer (edited 09-14-2001).] IP: Logged
Da Jug head Pilot	posted 09-14- 08:36 AM Out of curiosity, I'm picking up the most recent issue of computer pilot. It has an article on now well or poorly flight sims prepare you for the real thing. IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 09:55 AM i think that sims are very use full as far as getting the facts down like flight controls and instraments and IFR training ( infact my dad uses fs2000 of soon to be fs2002 do practice his IFR rating 1nce a year) but simms dont give the fealing of flight and most of them are very insencative on the controls, when u fly a real plane the controle are very sencative and they have alot more self centering forces on them. overall sims helped me get to grips with full size flying and yes i could probebly fly a plane (not takeoff or landing) with just a good 10 hours on a sim. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 10:24 AM Comparing a Piper Cub to a 757 is like comparing riding a bike to driving a 16 wheeler! IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 10:49 AM yeah the piper cub as the 18 wheeler and 757 as riding a bike. Now i am not saying i could land a 757 or take 1 off for that matter. just cos the 757 is big does not mean its harder to fly. u have computers sorting out the turbulance u can set wings leveler on the auto pilot It doesnt get effeected buy wind like a cub and most of the computers will sort all the stuff out for ya. u can program in a speed and a climbe or sink rate and it will stick to that but u can still make turns. the pipper cub is fairly hard to fly. it gets blown around ALOt u have to use the rudder all the time to make sure your not sideslipping and loosing speed. and u dont have all thos computers aiding your flight. [This message has been edited by Biggles3 (edited 09-14-2001).] IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:07 AM In ROTC flight training we could solo a Cessna 150 after 20 to 25 hours, some did it in 17 hours. Think you could solo a 757 in 25 hours? You've been watching too many disaster movies where the flight attendants take over and fly airliners. The flight school in Florida where some of the hijackers went requires multiengine jet ratings just to get in! This was not a pick-up basketball game. These guys knew exactly what they were doing and were well trained and experienced. IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:23 AM Hell NO! i never said that what i am trying to say is that the pilots of the planes that crasheds could of only had a few houres on fs2000 or somthing and thennhe would have enought skill to pilot the aircraft as they did. DID U KNOW THEY HAVE FOUND A APPARTMAENT THAT THE SUSPECTED HIJACKERS WHERE LIVING IN ( plane scematics and plans for the hijacking in the flat) an dit had a PC that had fs2000 installed on it. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 11:29 AM Doesn't FS2000 have a pretty detailed view of NYC? What better way to visually orient yourself? Doesn't mean they learned how to fly a 757 on FS2000. IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 09-14- 01:32 PM Ahhh Jerry that's "18" wheeler so I'm glad you still have yer bike to ride P IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 09-14- 01:34 PM FS2000 has the WTC in it. You can fly a plane into the towers if you want. I don't own it but they were showing it on the news last night. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 09-14- 01:43 PM Psi, when you get to my age what's a wheel or two? IP: Logged
Biggles3 Pilot	posted 09-14- 01:50 PM as long as its still rollin its fine with me IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 09-14- 07:34 PM I heard on the rdio today that for FS2002 MS is pulling the WTC out of the terrain bit other than that it will be avaialable... ------------------ Snickers =FC= Thou shalt maintaineth altitude, lest the earth rise up and smite thee. IP: Logged
Vugel Pilot	posted 09-15- 06:01 AM just sayin that even if they banned all flight sims then we already have one of the best in our hands and they wont stop me from using it. Vugel IP: Logged
71hemicuda Pilot	posted 09-15- 11:48 AM They can take my sims from my cold dead hands! The Federal rules have come at last the Federal rules can kiss my A$$ ------------------ "Campaign For A Better Havoc." IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 09-18- 10:40 AM MS Flight Sim 2002 has been put on hold "indefinitely." IP: Logged
Psi Pilot	posted 09-18- 10:51 AM I saw yesterday that they pulled a commando game that depicted an assult on the Pentagon and also a flight sim that had the WTC in it, might have been 2002... IP: Logged
Sunray Pilot	posted 09-18- 12:16 PM Gee, everybody knows that watching TV or playing computer games will lead you to commit heinous crimes and terrorism. And that playing a flight sim makes you an expert fighter bomber pilot. Why would anyone take expensive flying lesson when you can learn to fly with a $20 flight Sim? To suggest that you could fly a real aircraft, 727 or anything else, by JUST playing with a simulator is friggin' nonsense. The media, as usual, is yapping about things they know nothing about. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 09-18- 12:18 PM If you were in the air, and cruising, I'm positive someone with some flight sim time could take the controls of a plane no problem. You think its really that hard to fly a plane sunray? Its all the radio stuff and advanced nav that makes it hard. IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 09-18- 01:25 PM Sunray, In Spanky's defense, I have to agree with him. I spent lots and lots of time flying MS Flight Sims over the years. I have some flying time in private planes but very little in large jets. But I CAN say this! My time flying things from 737's to 747's and all those other airliners in MS Flight Sim allowed me to do this... While in the USAF (as a C-5 Flight Engineer), one day in the full motion simulator my instructor put me in the left pilot seat and wanted to see if I could fly the C-5. I did SO WELL at it that he said "HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU GET TO BE SO GOOD?" I told him I've been flying MS Flight Sim and probably have a couple thousand hours wracked up in it. He was so impressed that he told me I was in the wrong job and should be a pilot rather than flight engineer. Take-offs are a breeze, but landings is what's tricky. I did several near perfect landings, that's what impressed him. But, for a regular guy to sit at the controls and simply "steer" the plane into a target (ie building) while having to make small altitude adjustments is NOT hard. The big modern day airliners are very easy to fly, thanks to all of their modern systems and computers. So my point is this, you really CAN learn an aweful lot on your home PC with a good flight sim program. Oh! And here is the real kicker... the C-5 full motion simulators are actually HARDER to fly than the real plane! [This message has been edited by Pete Hawk (edited 09-18-2001).] IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 09-18- 02:51 PM As someone who once built simulators (not flight) for the gov't there is another aspect of MSFS that must be considered. It IS accurrate enough (landmark wise) to be used as an attack training tool. Our simulator was for ground troops, but one of its functions was to show how to get from point A to target.... Using MSFS2000, I took off from LaGuardia in a 777 (I have almost never flown passenger planes in MSFS...) Climbed to 2000' saw I was out of position, circled around the statue of liberty until the towers were right in front of me. The sim we built for the Govt was much better but then it took a special facility. The point is, MSFS is detailed enough that it could easily be used for this. Also, there are off the shelf terrain add ons that increase the accuracy of the basic game even more... (For those who want to know, I did not continue on untill I hit the tower. That would have been sick.) ------------------ Snickers =FC= Thou shalt maintaineth altitude, lest the earth rise up and smite thee. IP: Logged

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