posted 06-16- 12:27 AM               

Of those web sites that DO actually contain planes, they usually have a mixed assortment of a FEW planes, in a poor viewable format, and sometimes the planes aren't even downloadable.

And what is the PROGRESS on current projects? Like the A-10? Is it finished? Is there a beta? There's no way to find out except going through old postings on this message board and trying to put the puzzle peices together.

And what about that B-26?

Another thing, it's hard to find a web site with a nice, concise format all of known high quality SKINS for planes. You have drudge through a whole bunch of various web sites to find good skins. And wouldn't you know it, NOBODY EXPLAINS to novices how to actually INSTALL the skins.

The www.fshanger.com web site looks fairly up to date, but then I notice that all dates on the web site are "2000" and not "2001". So I'm not sure when it was last updated. Some of the links don't work. There's a picture of the week feature, with a nice looking picture, but not from Figther Squadron because the clouds look different. Who knows what game this screen shot was from, the guy who runs the web site doesn't bother to tell us! This guy also has a PICTURE of the A-10 for Fighter Squadron in his header-banner for the web site, but good luck finding out how to download that plane and play it in the game.

And nobody has a concise, complete up to date information on the latest downloads, patches, etc. for Fighter Squadron.

The www.simfiles.com web site doesn't seem to contain many new planes. Of what it has, who knows what the planes look like, etc. There's no pictures. You just have to download them, and you might end up getting incomplete crap.

The www.fightersquadron.com web site looks like it hasn't been updated for five years.

This is chaos. I can't believe nobody has spent the time to get it all straight. If I wanted to , I could EASILY put together a web site that BLOWS away most of the stuff out there. It might not look as flashy, but it will have the INFORMATION people NEED, with links that WORK, with photos of planes, help for novices, and EVERY plane out there, including as many betas as possible, and up to date info, but no junk either.

posted 06-16- 12:35 AM               

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Originally posted by CRTF:
...and you might end up getting incomplete crap.

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posted 06-16- 01:34 AM               

If you stand down from rant mode you might just get a warmer reception around here, questions need not be framed with vitriol, we're generally a pretty decent bunch and help out folks who have questions.

Werner

posted 06-16- 01:41 AM               

Out of order comes Crap.

Give me our warm and human chaos anyday.

posted 06-16- 01:55 AM               

CRTF everynow and then a pack comes out that contains all the new & updated planes...this pack is called planepack . The latest version is planepack 6.1 ! Visit spin's site to download it ! A link can be found at the FS sites section ! Enjoy

posted 06-16- 02:35 AM               

In our own time.

For nothing.

You should spare a thought for the number of hours needed to build a plane to a good standard too.

On the other issues, Da Jug Head has a good site for beginners, which has plenty of 'how to' stuff, plus a good list of stuff to download.

The Plane Pack is a collection of all the 'finished' planes out there. It is put together by Spin, and is aimed at providing a standard for on-line players. Also, check the projects section to see who is working on what and ask them!!!

posted 06-16- 03:03 AM               

CRTF - I went back and looked at all of your lasts posts. It would seem you have been with us for about 10 months. Hmmm no newbie there. I would also seem that you have some modeling skills (you make the model, I'll make it fly...) The Dehavilund(sp?) Vampaire would be a good choice...

Build your web page and I will link to it.

Tell me how to hold down a job, keep my wife, build a plane, build a website (and its not a small one) AND have a real life while keeping my progress monitor updated.

I will stop her before this becomes a rant (like the one I just deleted ).
Get some manners. They will get you farther in life, and a LOT farther in this community..
Snick
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posted 06-16- 03:32 AM               

seems u have changed ur attitude towards the SDOE community since ur 1st post
http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002662.html

posted 06-16- 07:08 AM               

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posted 06-16- 08:48 AM               

The A10, no it's not 100% finished, is it hard to find though.. Not at all, any 3 year old that knows how to use an internet search engine would find it, try this very simple thing.. goto Yahoo.com and in the search box type "sdoe A10" this might sound strange, but the search engine looks for matches on bother those words, and since you're looking for SDOE related stuff, thats why you put that in there, and because you're specificaly looking for the A10, you put that in there also... and then you hit search, at an estimate this will take you all of 5 seconds, and guess what, 5 seconds later you get a list of sites that might be relevant, and even betterm the site it;s actualy posted on is even listed FIRST!

posted 06-16- 10:17 AM            

So remember Tatoo(s) "Deplane" also means "get off"

Try this;http://www.26th-aircorps.org/

posted 06-16- 10:29 AM               

You didn't have to flame us about problems on finding planes. All you had to do was post one message in the help area and simply ask, "where can I find some new planes?" and about 5 mins later someone would tell you.

The B-26 is still in the works and wont be ready anytime soon as a player aircraft. I might release it as an AI plane since it's closer to that right now then playable.

The P-51B is in final FM work and once that's done all i need to do is add a lower LOD to the fuse and release. I've had to move the new cockpit framing to another beta.

posted 06-16- 12:01 PM            

This is a GREAT game with GREAT people. A lot of folks who put in a lot of time to improve what's already here. We all owe them a debt of gratitude and not harsh words.

But--newcomers or relative newcomers (like me), do have a dificult time getting up to speed. I'm on 6.1, but I've been spending a whole lot of time trying to make the newest patch work. I've been to several sites that provide instructions--but it's still giving me trouble. I ended up having to do a complete re-install of SDOE. At this point I've given up on the patch--because I want to fly, rather than spend hours playing with files. I'm hopeful that in the not too distant future, the patch will be easier to install.

Much of this is no big problem for those of you who have been around for a while, but it's really difficult for newcomers. Please understand that many of you are way ahead of the curve on both SDOE and computing. That's good for the game--because you keep improving it. It can though make it a little tough for newcomers, some of whom are probably scared away by the computing savy it takes to get all the right files in the right order to be able to go on-line. Over the past several days I've gone on-line a couple of times only to find new fliers who can't fly with others because of confusion over what the on-line standard really is.

The point mentioned above about bringing new people to the game should be given some consideration. There are over 11-hundred people registered on the board. How many of those 11-hundred fly regularly on-line? What's keeping them away?

Again--many thanks to those of you who keep improving the game. Please try and imagine what it's like for someone who is not familiar with sims to load SDOE for the first time--and then try to fly on-line.

posted 06-16- 12:19 PM               

Werner

posted 06-16- 12:24 PM               

A lot of people out there aren't even comfortable with unzipping files, which is an absolute must here until everything is in a self-installer like the WWI pak. And lookout if you unzip to the wrong folder (not all our zips unzip to the same folder)...you need to be a real file management expert to clean up that mess. One bad experience will turn a lot of people away.

posted 06-16- 01:01 PM               

Anyways, just some food for thought, lets build on what Ron had to say and see if we can't improve things a little from their perspective. I mean, isn't tweaking what we're all about?

Werner

posted 06-16- 01:52 PM            

please all bear that in mind when posting.

I put all newbies that I find online to spins site,, but it's lacking the first part in the story! planepack 6.0

Can you LINK to the Pp6.0 part for it on front PAGE Spin,thanks,

Chap! IF you don't ask you won't get,, as the saying goes! The internet is like that,, IF you don't know where to look you won't find it! SO ask!

But saying that,, you are not wrong only your temprament on this occasion is!

Wanting all in one place is nice and a good idea..

I bet you have downloaded a plane knowing it was a beta!
So you've frustrated yourself, if so!

I think also that All SDOE'ers that come here and must like Flight Sims ,,then it goes that finding or asking , how to put a skin on, is easy, if not a pleasant challenge

Assuming you know how to use a Search Engine, then try the Search on this site,, the search on this site will give you more answers you looking for.

posted 06-16- 03:54 PM               

. . . I could EASILY put together a web site that BLOWS away most of the stuff out there. It might not look as flashy, but it will have the INFORMATION people NEED, with links that WORK, with photos of planes, help for novices, and EVERY plane out there, including as many betas as possible, and up to date info, but no junk either.
CRTF[/QUOTE]

Okay, since you've ticked off so many people, you can put your money where your mouth is in one of two ways.

First- I'm more than willing to let someone help me out with the Fighter Squadron Central website (address above- go visit it if you haven't yet). I will gladly give you the passwords so you can add on to the site. I have over a dozen planes people are asking me to do FM work on and more requests keep coming in each day. I am also working on an update CD. Because of this the website is falling behind.

Second- create a site of your own

The impression that this should be such an easy task also shows you have NO idea how much is out there for this game.

I have enough material right now to fill MORE than one CD and I don't have all of it yet.

Since you haven't said a peep since you've posted this, I'll also send this request for assistance via e-mail.

You can either help, or back off.

posted 06-16- 04:19 PM               

That's some investigating technique you got there...

Here's a free tip: in the amount of space you WASTED pissing off everyone, you COULD have asked ALL the questions you apparently weren't able to "sleuth" out on your own, Kojak.

You'd've probably had answers to all of em, too Instead, you've got...well, another opportunity to hone your skills, I guess.

posted 06-16- 11:47 PM               

One of the coolest unfinished planes, Pete Hawk's Kestrel, was last mentioned on the Message Board in April.

A newbie probably wouldn't know it existed unless he specifically searched for it on a whim.

And because XOOM worked differently than NBCI, you (well I) can't browse Pete Hawk's site to pick up this gem from his folder of SMs, as was possible in the past. To get it you gotta know the proper site URL, and the name of the zip. See: http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000152.html

posted 06-18- 06:52 AM               

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My suggestion for plane builders who want people to know who's doing all the hard work: put your signature in the cockpit or on the skin

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I disagree. People who don't read readmes don't deserve any help.

posted 06-18- 10:22 AM               

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Originally posted by Pye:
Aside: Anyone reading this and some other posts will assume planepack 6.1 is the only planepack needed,,
[This message has been edited by Pye (edited 06-16-2001).]

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Pye- I updated the getting started page on Friday to include links to both Plane packs. I also included an explanation that PP6.1 is an update and PP 6.0 is required first

Just link them to the site and tell them to go to the getting started section.

Since I'm including the link in my sig now, you should be able to copy & paste it to a message.

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posted 06-18- 06:25 PM            

Well get that installer link when you have on it ,, on DA Jugs site....

Maybe ask Spin too if he has room.