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Topic: Spitfire IX unable to outturn Me-109G6
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Snake
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posted 06-10- 03:35 PM
   
Viper and I were flying tonight and noticed that the Spit cannot outturn the Me. This is weird isn't it? We swopped planes and did tests from starting in front and behind. Flaps on and off on both the Me-190 still outturned the Spit and handily too. Snake IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 06-10- 03:50 PM
generaly the only 109 that should outrung a Spitfire IX was the K4.Info gained using the java appalet at: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/perf/speed.html Also check the fighter performance chart, the G6 is a good match for the Spit IX, although the chart doesn't display the 4 series data, it does show the e1 and f1 109's http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/perf/perf.html [This message has been edited by Nat (edited 06-10-2001).] IP: Logged |
Snake
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posted 06-10- 05:01 PM
I always thought that the Spit could outturn every 109 built. Hmmm one more myth buried!
And just to embarass Viper:
Thats his wing there to the left of my gunsight!!! 
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HeinzBaby
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posted 06-10- 06:47 PM
It's not a myth, only the Emil could turn with the IX, don't know about the F series, The G6 couldn't stay with the IX. After the F's raw power in climb [G6, and speed [K4 was traded for Manouver and handling, wingloading jumped from 32lb for the Emil to 40lb G6, to 43lb wingloading K4... anyway I personally find the turn of 109's overrated in FS, but then fly them in EAW, no one flies the G6 against Spits. Goes to show we don't live in a perfect [Sim] world  IP: Logged |
Nat
JAG
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posted 06-10- 07:37 PM
Tis so a myth  Spit 1A:
557kph@4570m Spit IX:
657kph@7620M Spit XIV:
721kph@7920m 109G6:
612kph @ 6800m K4:
727kph@6000m F4:
624kph@6500m Where the spitfire IX excelled in speed was only at altitudes above 6500m, until around 5000M the G6, K4 and F4 were very much faster. Don't forget though, Snake is talking about raw speed, and not handling, turning ect. In speed the Spifire did suffer when compairde to the same period 109's.
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HeinzBaby
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posted 06-10- 08:44 PM
Sorry there Nat, I got the impression that Snake was commenting on turnrates, I concur, apart from the G, the Spits were slower, but no self respecting 109 pilot would turn with them, we all know how superb the 109's were with BNZ.IP: Logged |
Da Jug head
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posted 06-11- 09:03 AM
This is from a table showing the maximum instantaneous turn rate and sustained turn rates of the Spit IX and the 109GExample at 10000 ft. Numbers are dgrees per second.
----------Inst--------SUS
109G------35.2--------18.9
SpitIX----31.8--------23.2 This trend holds at all altitudes below 30,000 ft. The Spit can hold a sustained turn (max turn rate without bleeding speed at the best turning speed) much better than the 109G, but if you are willing to bleed speed to get inside the spit, the 109G will handily out turn the Spit IX. Also, keep in mind that the speed of the planes in the sustained turn differs, so it depends on which planes envelope you're dogfighting in as to which will be better. Where the spit kills the 109G is in a roll because the leading edge slats on the 109 would deploy in a roll and kill the roll rate. Note these numbers are for a turn on the horizontal plane. You can out turn a 109G but it requires lifting the nose and rolling into the turn. I've out turned a 109G several times when online. Doesn't work as well when the other person knows how to use gravity and lift to help tighten the turn on the 109 too. [This message has been edited by Da Jug head (edited 06-11-2001).] IP: Logged | |
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