posted 06-04- 07:29 PM               

It wouldn't be a bad idea if 2.9 patch adds the high res textures. We could do some amazing new things with it and all the new things the other patches have added.

also, What about an SDOE CON? Everyone else has them and thier games suck compaired to ours. Though a lot of people live in different counrties and wont be able to attend. Ideas?

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posted 06-05- 12:04 AM               

As for a new contest, maybe this time it should just be for pride instead of prizes. Still, its a good idea!

posted 06-05- 12:59 AM               

This is no biggie as far as I'm concerned, but the Multigen licenses would have been nice!

If there is another contest, I think we should put one person in charge of securing the prizes BEFORE the contest starts. That person should also be responsible for holding and distributing the prizes.

posted 06-05- 01:47 AM               

We "did" recieve the vid cards... sadly, by the time we recieved them they were so whoafully outdated... it was near laughable.

posted 06-05- 05:27 AM               

I want to be sure this is correct before I hang someone by the short hairs in effigy.

Can any other winners confirm this?

PR=FC=

posted 06-05- 10:55 AM            

a) you had a deadline to meet
b) you had $$$ in your eyes

I'm curious because while the easy answer is a little of both, in reality one almost certainly had to dominate the other. I don't see there being a wrong answer, either, I'm just thinking that we may be able to come up with prizes that are less $$$ based if it wasn't an integral part of the last contest. I don't have any ideas yet, but I'm on the case.

Werner

posted 06-05- 11:04 AM               

FYI...My bitch is a personnal one. it does not reflect the feelings or attitudes of Team Jug and should not be construed as such.

I thought the contest was a smashing success! We grew as a community and our available stable of aircraft grew like a weed in a cow pie... (there's a visual for ya)

...Werner Molders,

posted 06-05- 11:23 AM               

I'm with Zur on this one, I'm doing it just for the compatition since I really only entred the last one for MultiGen.

posted 06-05- 03:38 PM            

There were a few things around the competition that weren't that great, though, even if it in general was a great bonus for me personally, and for the SDOE community.

The lack of clear rules by which to judge was one. Even though I think we created the best open plane object at that time, I think we actually won simply because it was the most wished for aircraft. Not bad, but if you've spent hundreds of hours perfecting DMs or FMs it's a bit disappointing that few notices. I also think that the outcome might have been different had clear rules been set. For one I thought, and still think, that more attention should've been given to the wonderful DMs of the WW-I aircraft that entered the contest.

The rather unclear deadline was a major mistake, I think. We first had something ready on the deadline date (wasn't great, but it was there.) The deadline was pushed, and we had some discussions about whether to abuse this push for fixing known errors, or just leave it as is. We decided against abusing the push and stay with what we had on the original deadline, but it was a bit disappointing to see some others not being quite as sporty. Oh, well, I can understand it, it was really a mistake in how the contest was handled.

posted 06-05- 03:42 PM            

Werner

posted 06-05- 04:13 PM               

As far as I know, MH was NOT in charge of the contest or the prizes. He did a lot of work on the contest, but should not be blamed for prizes not materializing. In fact, I remember him posting a clear warning to not start this contest until the prizes were secured. Perhaps someone could find that post.

I think what happened was that the contest took on a life of it's own even though the prizes had not been secured. I guess the thinking was that each entity who had promised a prize would be responsible for distributing that prize to the winners once the contest was over. Well, as we all know, 3DFX was the only entity that followed through. In fact, the cards came direct from 3DFX offices. It should be noted, though, that MH had to prompt 3DFX to send the cards, but that's understandable... I'm sure the contest wasn't a huge priority for the people at 3DFX.

In any case, I think we can rest assured that no one at Parsoft made off with the $400 and the Multigen licenses

posted 06-05- 04:18 PM               

you should also realize that, at least to my knowledge, the prize money (or at least a part of it) indeed was secured, but it seems did not materialize as a prize.

-Gecko

posted 06-05- 04:48 PM            

Werner

posted 06-05- 04:58 PM            

JT sent one to Jerry, and I sent the last one to Stark.

No other prizes were delivered and no explination was given as to why they were not delivered.

posted 06-05- 08:15 PM               

Yes! a new plane contest so we can kill off some more of the online crowd. I can't remember if Pete's site was still up when I bitched about this from the last time...I left SDOE for about a year because the contest turned the on-line std into a joke. I was enjoying pretty decent flying since alot of the biulders left for greener fields. I can see PR wanting everyone to down load this or that plane to fly in any sort of organized event...sure I could just make my own events...but I am not an organizer I am a killer...I don't biuld or orgainize..I shoot planes down. I am not a download monkey. I refuse to download a new plane every few days or everynight. This WILL HAPPEN. people spend time biulding a plane and its only natural that they release 20 thousand betas for people to fly. Next thing you know..if you want to fly on-line you end up downloading something new everytime to keep up. I know I am not the only one who left this fine game because biulders can't keep it in their pants and release a finished plane. This is not an attack on PR...this is a very different opinion. I have expressed it. No more download cluster F**ks just to fly.

Power to the pilots! lol

hoping that the PP will not become a joke again....I even asked Tail once a few months later..he said it was even worse then when I was still flying.

The ever name changing pilot:

Confusion/CaptBlood/Ungluecksrabe/Shark

P.S> Speck of pepper in a salt shaker...where the heck did I get that from lol

posted 06-05- 09:01 PM               

There wont be another contest pack that was just an experiment. Planes from the contest would be mreged with a later planepack just like normal planes.

posted 06-06- 05:52 AM               

MH most certainly did run the contest. I had to sign paper work and send my $100 in very early to be allowed to contribute. So someone still has the $100 I sent in...

I don't think anyone wanted to "make off" with a few bucks LOL, but really - if one is going to be all serious and "official" about something, I would expect that they would follow through.

From what I remember, PR initiated the contest, then MH took over. All my correspondence about the contest happened via MH.

posted 06-06- 06:18 AM               

However, the whole situation does reflect badly on the people who promised to give money and actually did (PR, Sv, and others that I might not know of), but now it could look as if they were merely advertising the contest and didn't want to follow through with their promises.

As you can see by the posts above, this clearly was not the case. I guess we need input from MH to help resolve the issue.

posted 06-06- 06:22 AM               

Sv is correct. I came up with the idea of the contest. I offered $100.00 to the guy who we voted made the "best new plane" etc. The idea was recieved well by the community, and very soon Sv, Pete Hawk and Michael Harrison jumped onboard and offered to match what I had offered.

Soon the contest was changed to try and broaden what it would allow.

I was thrilled at the prospect of this sim getting an infusion of both new people that the contest publicity would generate, and new planes. Plus we had the added benefit of having guys pickup plane building for the first time.

Michael Harrison asked me to let him "run" the contest. His reasons were sound. He had all the contacts within the gaming world, i.e. 3DFX, Multigen. He was also the most highly regarded and visable person in this comunity.

I gave in. After all, the contest wasn't about me being on the center stage, it was about SDOE, and our community.

I sent in my money to Michael Harrison a month or longer prior to the voting on the contest per his request. My input into the direction of the contest was no longer asked for, or accepted. Even so, I was still excited at the prospect of what the contest would bring to the game, however out of the loop I felt.

It was not until Zur's post the other day that I learned all those monies were not given to the winners.

I could not feel worse than I do right now.

I would like to offer to send in another

$100.00

If I had to do it all over again, if I had known then what I know now, I would have run the contest from start to finish.

I appologize to everyone for not seeing that contest through to the end.

Trust is a tough thing to lose.

PR=FC=

posted 06-06- 06:51 AM            

The contest did what it was supposed to do...bring the plane builders, etc together and release a whole bunch of new planes to the sim.

It only failed in it's execution.

We never brought it up before because we didn't want to start a ruckus. Of course we didn't know that anyone had sent money off the Inertia either. In fact, it's probably WORSE for you, Pete and Sv who sent in the cash than it is for us anyway. Your good intentions went to waste.

Please don't feel like you guys have to add new money. Contest is long gone.

posted 06-06- 09:50 AM               

The money is/was of no real consequence. It was the principle of it that bugged me.

posted 06-06- 10:48 AM               

Sorry... didn't mean to accuse you guys of not following through. Just a little confused as to why only the video cards arrived. I assumed all the prize donators would be sending the prizes directly to the winners because the video cards came direct from 3DFX.

Did you guys send checks? If so, were they cashed? Hehe... that would be a pretty quick way to see who got this money.

Anyway, just checked my last email with MH... In it, I provide the address to send the prizes to. Also, check out this thread... http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001923.html

According to MH, the money was sent. According to me, it wasn't received. What is going on here? I hope the next step isn't that I get accused of hording the prizes for myself.

Don't want to drag this out, but now that this is a mystery, I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

posted 06-06- 12:37 PM               

None of the monetary prizes made it? I don't remember anybody mentioning it to me!

The Multigen licenses and Vid cards were the responsibility of their respective companies, but I personally sent out the money to the team leads.

I'm under a tight deadline right now and can't monitor this thread (it was pure luck I saw it). Team leads, please email me with more information.

posted 06-06- 02:20 PM               

I think you might be right about this. I just found an email from MH on my Yahoo account. In it, MH says that he is going to "check with the person" who he "gave the address to for the money and see what's up". I have a feeling that this person who was supposed to mail the money out either forgot or sent to the wrong address.

>The surprising thing is that none of the winners complained.