posted 06-01- 06:18 PM               

Once you fly with the patch improvments of the doppler sound, and lighting changes, the fly by views, etc. How can anyone want to go back?

posted 06-01- 10:00 PM               

Heck, Dannyboy showed up at newbie night and he had it installed properly. BTW, he thinks he needs lots More practice, but he'd only played offline twice and he was and absolute handful in the Corsair vs A6M5 (I had the Zero).

Watch out, we've got some guys coming in with talent

posted 06-01- 11:49 PM            

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posted 06-02- 12:02 AM               

I too am ready to see the online standard upped to PP6.1. A lot of good work went into it.

posted 06-02- 12:19 AM               

Right now, PP6.1 has my Ju88 DM version 6.2. This DM version is good, but...it has some *minor* issues with the .8 patch and I'm sure with the .9 patch that will soon come out. The DM code I used on this plane works fine with SDOE 1.5. But, the new patches have new and improved DM code, so some of my DM features on the '88 are...well, altered. Here's the biggest problem, when the engine seizes, instead of the prop hiding and a new one showing that is 'dead', both props show up on one engine. Now, this is *just* visual, but also some other things like flat tires and brake fails don't work. But the plane flies and it takes dmg realistically imo.

I HAVE fixed this now. My Ju88 DM version 6.3 DM code is just great with the new patches AND with SDOE 1.5.

"Then why don't ya release it now!?"

Now, here's the prob: I've finished the DM for it, but I'm waiting on the FM team to get it back to me. It needs some FM touching up and I'm afraid while I wait, PP 6.1 may be made standard with the .9 patch and then we can all have '88s with four props!

This is not a rant (I hope) and certainly not a complaint, just stating the reality. I can give the updated sm from Ju88 DM v6.3 as it is now with the DM fixes to Spin to include in PP 6.2, but for 6.1, I dunno...

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posted 06-02- 12:25 AM            

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Thank you for your cooperation Harman BTW I been playing the hell ont of the AAA, havin a blast. I will be a repeat customer to HMW...

posted 06-02- 12:53 AM               

Hopefully many more models in our lineup at HMW this year...

posted 06-02- 01:17 AM               

Anything that isn't in PP 6.1 is what I likely won't have. At least until I figure out what all I have already...

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posted 06-02- 02:56 AM               

I haven't been using 6.1 to date (tried setting it up but all I get is one zeke in the aircraft folder)so I'll have to sus out that other way to install it instead.

I've had immense fun so far though using the patch, both for making better missions and also flying 'em.. This patch has been funtastic so far and I'm sure that .9 coupled with PP6.1 will be sh*t hot.

When I've sorted out how to install 6.1 properly I'll give you my opinion on whether I think it should be online std or not. I'm sure it will be for it, absolutely, going by what I'm reading already.

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posted 06-02- 06:14 AM               

Now ain't that a copout--hehe.

Hard to even get online and play lately as summer days and nights are now too busy for my liking. So--I haven't had any time to fly PP6.1--so I'll take you guys' word for it.

Now wife thinks she found a house she wants us to buy--been 16 years in our little house--I'm about to go into a fetal postion and lay in the corner at the thought of selling, buying, and moving. Means much less time for these important unfolding upgrades in SDOE.

posted 06-02- 06:54 AM               

As far as online play, I am unable to with the connection I have at this time. I been playing with five now and a new phone line and still unstable and slow. Cable is looking better. Pricey, but better.

Riverrat out!

posted 06-02- 07:16 AM               

I know.......I haven't been online much over the last 12 months... (lag gives me the sh...t's)

But as I always say...If it's 80% correct then go for it - make 6.1 the std

and have fun

Cheers,

posted 06-02- 07:54 AM               

But I want to know before I vote-- those of you who are online and have been using it-- are you using regular guns or NET guns? I have spent now hours on making the loadouts as accurate as I can (and I am only halfway through)-- and with these changes, and with the Beta patch-- I strongly feel the NET guns aren't needed. So please-- let me know what version of the guns you guys were using.

The only thing I am hesitant of is this-- when I get the loadout work done (and believe me, some of these planes needed work--- the .50 caliber values of some planes were way off from other planes using .50 calibers), will it be easy to implement it if there already is a standard? I would hate to see all this work done for nothing....I am not looking for credit here, you guys know me better than that!)-- but I think most of you are as concerned as I am that everything be as accurate as possible-- and loadouts should be no exception!

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posted 06-02- 09:41 AM            

2. Jeeves,, Net loadouts, are now being used for missions ONLINE with patch 1.5,

When converting an existing mission or creating a new mission, We just have a prefix of N- as the mission name to denote the difference.
ie N-Pyes Scrambler Spit 1a 2v2

we all know its a temporary measure, but it means no-one will need to swap spoons loudout files files.
It doens't affect your work, it merely but very conveniently solves an online issue for now.
We will all know when the netloadout (spoons loudout) are obselete and can be removed or remarked out of the Planepack update, is when no-one chooses a N- prefix Mission. It's a optional choice of the Host of the mission, simply

3. SDOE Patch 1.5.1.8,, has a very visible graphics glitch in the cockpits of aircraft, not displaying the cockpit frame, in full.VDU -Vincent of the SDOE patch team, has the details but , his time is precious and it maybe a few releases before he can get time to look at this. It severly degrades what we see most! the inside of plane view of the FW190 and bf109! I've not checked on Allied planes.
Also and has some very big problems for some sdoe'ers, that we need to point in the direction of the SDOE patch forum, Viper was one!
and Maybe
I can't confirm this full, but have noticed that sometimes, in glide , the frame rate has almost dropped to zero,on some special occasions, I can't put my finger on it yet.
So simply

**** hold on talking the patch as online standard - until planepack 6.1 is on. And we get feedback on 1.5.1.9,,
Saying that and from a support person perspective
It would be great as far as version numbers, if the 1.5.2 or 1.5.1.10 are made the new Online standard. but patience will be a virtue for this patch.

posted 06-02- 10:59 AM               

PP6.1? No problems with that. Better men than I have tested it and found it to be fine.

Patch .9? Many graphics issues with D3D. Looks good in OpenGL, but not everyone has that option. Speaking ONLY for the Corsair, the patch porks the new damage model. The old model works OK, but makes the plane too hard to kill (and the new model also flies more realistically and matches up better with the Zero in particular). I could release 4 new Corsairs tomorrow with all the bells and whistles working in 1.5, and useless in Patch .9

I believe some of the other planes use some of the same techniques I used with the new Corsair, so if the patch becomes online standard now, you'll have a tradeoff between what it fixes and what it breaks.

And that's probably all I can say without regretting it later...

posted 06-02- 12:56 PM            

I'm ready anytime to make this transition but because PP6.1 is relatively new, i feel some may not be.
Maybe we should let the air clear a little, get the new patch out, all updates to A/C and squash the bugs before we commit to deletion of 6.0 in favor of 6.1, at this time.
I would really hate to strand players and cause them to be discouraged.
I know that some of you will balk because the new stuff is really great but for the time being lets wait. It's summer for lots of people and we can't expect them to be all over an indoor activity, this will take some time.
If we were to put a deadline on it and being realistic in my thinking I would say at the current rate we will not even be close enough to make this call until the 1st of August. But that isn't so bad if you think about getting all this ironed out. What do ya think???
Read the last three posts by Jeeves, Pye and Jedi

posted 06-02- 03:25 PM               

Quite frankly I gave up years ago with the notion that this community (or any of this size and with this many personalities) could ever reach a 'true' concensus. So, for me, when I'm online, I will play with...

posted 06-02- 03:54 PM               

As I said-- I am not much of an online player- so please don't let me dictate what happens-- but I think some of you guys will be wanting these loadout changes when they are done-- most of the 190 and 109 cannon values were off-- they are a bit more powerful now (as they should historically be)-- and some of the cannons were changed to more powerful ones- as that's the way they were in the war.

Before the Allies cry foul-- some of the .50's in some planes were not as powerful as they should be either-- and Hispano values have been changed a bit.

Bombs for all the planes are more powerful-- I used historic values- based on lots of research-- and with the bomb blast radius work done by Bryan- even those the warheads have been increased, they still won't destroy a whole airfield

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posted 06-02- 06:12 PM            

I too will be revising to .9 when it comes out, I will be getting your new values for the load outs and on and on it goes. We keep adding and we'll never have a standard. We need to stop, determine what will be in the PP and we need to decide when this will be complete. If August 1st is enought time to get this sorted out and stick with it then I say 8/1 If it can be sooner then when.

This is the reason that I posted this is to see if we are truly ready to commit. I just spent 3 hours online and didn't even fly. Everybody was so scrambled we didn't know what the hell was going on.

So it is my opinion that the standard remain to be 6.0 until we can clearly say that 6.1 is ready.

If some want to use 6.1 for their own uses then do it. For compatibility reasons I will remain 6.0 And maybe we can get together in the mean time and decide what we need to complete the PP.

Your thoughts!

P

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posted 06-02- 08:15 PM               

quote:

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Originally posted by Pye:
1. Planepack 6.1 online standard. If you seen me online or read some previoous posts you'll know that already.

2. Jeeves,, Net loadouts, are now being used for missions ONLINE with patch 1.5,

When converting an existing mission or creating a new mission, We just have a prefix of [b]N- as the mission name to denote the difference.
ie N-Pyes Scrambler Spit 1a 2v2

we all know its a temporary measure, but it means no-one will need to swap spoons loudout files files.
It doens't affect your work, it merely but very conveniently solves an online issue for now.
We will all know when the netloadout (spoons loudout) are obselete and can be removed or remarked out of the Planepack update, is when no-one chooses a N- prefix Mission. It's a optional choice of the Host of the mission, simply

3. SDOE Patch 1.5.1.8,, has a very visible graphics glitch in the cockpits of aircraft, not displaying the cockpit frame, in full.VDU -Vincent of the SDOE patch team, has the details but , his time is precious and it maybe a few releases before he can get time to look at this. It severly degrades what we see most! the inside of plane view of the FW190 and bf109! I've not checked on Allied planes.
Also and has some very big problems for some sdoe'ers, that we need to point in the direction of the SDOE patch forum, Viper was one!
and Maybe
I can't confirm this full, but have noticed that sometimes, in glide , the frame rate has almost dropped to zero,on some special occasions, I can't put my finger on it yet.
So simply

**** hold on talking the patch as online standard - until planepack 6.1 is on. And we get feedback on 1.5.1.9,,
Saying that and from a support person perspective
It would be great as far as version numbers, if the 1.5.2 or 1.5.1.10 are made the new Online standard. but patience will be a virtue for this patch.

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posted 06-03- 04:34 AM            

B) SV,, it was my graaphics glitch as Dukeof sX quoted all my post
I was refering to this http://www.wingswithwires.com/patch/mb/posts.asp?id=165&fid=4

c) Another way to look at it is Spoons Loudouts never became an Online Standard but we all used it
So Using plane pack 6.1 (with Spoons net loudouts installed is basically the same) Except we get to fly all the new planes with engine damage changes and Bullet holes damage models and such.
the file is 15meg, for full compatibilty it only adds 2 files PAR12 AND PAR13,, thats easy to add. or rename and no more swapping spoons!
also Flying with 6.1 we will uncover any buggs that help with improving PP6.2
and give more time to plane builders to test there planes with the new SDOE patches

d) Groundpack is an Optional online standard but Highly recommended,, get this too!

posted 06-03- 07:54 AM               

I am on your side- believe me I hate those nasty Luftwaffe planes LOL....but I owed it to everyone to make sure that they were all at an even keel as far as gun values go.....if Bryan can get the bullet penetration working as he intends it to be, maybe damage effects will be different

I do feel that I am letting down the Allies by making those darn 109 and 190 cannons accurate (and don't think I didn't think of you when I was doing it )-- but I did make the .50 calibers stronger LOL

If we can get the work that Nat is doing currently implemented, those .303's will have a chance of downing a few more of those nasty Jerries

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posted 06-03- 12:54 PM            

The GROUND PACK thAT Harmen_5 made will complement the Planepack 6.1 ,the same way that the WW1 pack does.

To make it clearer, the Ground pack Vehicles are essentially planes with invisible wings and tails, but with vehicle properties incorporating guns, cannons , Jet rockets with reduced fuel or something like that , so they actually work look feel and act like mortor bombs, clever stuff.

so they will work with planes in any planepacks, I have run a few missions mixing WW1 planes from the WW1 pack with WW2 planes from the ONLINE planepack 6.1.
It's really fun! and now can add the vehicles for the Groundpack. Makes for some really fun and diverse missions.

posted 06-03- 05:28 PM               

Sv...maybe you can clarify, as I may get this wrong, but - isn't OpenGl the only renderer that was tweaked in the beta patching? i.e.; nothing with Glide or D3D that came with SDOE has been changed? So, to bypass the graphical OGL anomalies, one could run in the graphics option they used prior to the beta patch with, ostensibly, no changes unless a PP plane or add on affects it? Thus, other than OpenGL, these anomalies are not a patch issue? Did that make sense? Was Eva Braun really a man? Are Atoms Ants? Was Batman really nocturnal? Do owls like pussycats? Does Josie even like pussycats?

Ok, ok...but I run the beta patch in OpenGL and yes, I have some of the anomalies - but nothing that detracts from the flying nor the enjoyment. Frame rate is fine so far ( gamma could be brighter, but it is better than D3D for me ). It isn't the graphics that are of major import - doesn't matter how the dang thing looks, if you spend 5 of every 10 online minutes being dumped to desktop. Now, legibility of the cockpit gauges IS important - but hey, some of them don't work anyway, so why bother?

We can use the beta patch right now as online standard, as the CTD issue has been reduced ( I doubt it will ever be completely negated - such is the nature of the beast ) enough to be only mildly irritating rather than making one want to take up arms and invade the local ISP. As to graphics, then, use what has always worked for you until the new one is fixed to your liking. For me, that is ok right now, but others seem to want more. As long as VDU will continue to work on it as time permits, that shouldn't be a problem.

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