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Da Wing Waxer
Pilot
posted 05-16- 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Wing Waxer   Click Here to Email Da Wing Waxer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can someone write up a review for me on the following sticks and how they work with SDOE?

I'll post them at FSCentral with credit to the author. If anyone having one of these sticks would like to contribute, please point out the good and bad points.

Cyborg 3D
Thrustmaster Sticks
MS forcefeedback

Basically, any stick other than, logitech sticks, MS sidewinder PP (first one), Thrustmaster Topgun afterburner

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Zurawski
Pilot
posted 05-16- 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Da jug Waxer,

Just a informational FYI for you and those that haven't been around to see me pontificate on this subject...

"Calibrating your joystick for FSSDOE"

1.) Pick a plane that for you personnaly is the most twitchiest the air. (if you calibrate to the twitchiest the rest of them will just fall into rank)

2.) drop into a mission where you start on the runway... go external and park your ass behind the aircraft.

3.) Move the control surfaces to their fullest extent and pay particular attention to the range of movement compared to that of your joystick.

In a nutshell what you want is for your joysticks inputs to be a 1-to-1 ratio to your control surfaces as possible.

As an example... if you deflect you ailerons to a right-hand turn, your joystick and the ailerons should reach their limits at near the same time. If your ailerons stop moving before your joystick reaches its limits, your joystick is going to be too sensitive to inputs.

As a rule of thumb... the longer / larger your joystick throw (or range of movement)... the smoother and more precise your control of the aircrafts will be.

This is where joysticks like the Microsoft joysticks have problems.... They generally have short ranges of movement. Thus they effectively reduce potential smooth, precise input because they have a much shorter throw

(When I say throw , I mean like the range from center to their right or left or up or down limits BTW)

ALSO... if the deadband is set to large it also makes the joystick more sensitive!

Example... joystick normally has a 3 inch throw right or left... you give it a 1 inch deadband, your joystick now has to translate the input of 3 inchest within the confines of 2 inches! Can you say "twitchy"?

Over view:

1.) Joystick to control surfaces as near 1-to-1 as possible.

2.) Smallest deadband as possible.


The reason I bring this up is I know your working on FMs and are interested in calibrating the FMs to accomidate the majority of joysticks. Fact is ... if everyone calibrated their joysticks to this measure, all FMs would present themselves as they were meant to be... (I used this calibration for all my FMs)

Oh and from experiance... 50% of the time the joystick sensitivity needs to actually be hand-edited in the demons.ini because the ingame sliders do not allow enough adjustment.

Hope this helps everyone!

[This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 05-16-2001).]

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HeinzBaby
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posted 05-17- 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeinzBaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good post Zur!!
I'll also add that if you're not happy after adjustung the sdemons.ini settings, still being to sensitive, d/load the: CTFJ! v3.20 J/stick utility from http://www.stickworks.com
This works a treat for my MS sidewinder precision pro stick, thou not so good for my MS FFB, the problem being the stick [loosing the settings], not the Utility. HB

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nealg
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posted 05-17- 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recall this advice from a while ( a looong while, hehe ) back; even though I fly the Spit the most, I did this with the P51 as it was the one I had most probs with, and it works. If you haven't already tried this, take the time to do it...you will be impressed at how well it works. CTFJ has been a great help to me also, after Esox was kind enough to help explain exactly what all those silly letters and numbers meant!

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Eyes
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posted 05-18- 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eyes   Click Here to Email Eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the Feedback and will write my opinion later today !

PS Zur how is the PZL 24G progressing ? Want it for nations v3 !


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[This message has been edited by Eyes (edited 05-18-2001).]

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Zurawski
Pilot
posted 05-18- 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EYES?

Did you never recieve the latest builds I sent you!?

It's sweet as hell! I'll upload it to my website and send you the link tonight (I obviously don't have the zip here at work )

DAMN... all this time I thought you were ignoring me!

YOU and the community are just gonna love this one!

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Major Hippie
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posted 05-18- 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Major Hippie   Click Here to Email Major Hippie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I got a Cyborg 3d, it a great stick!
I put a review for it at my site a while back: http://www.geocities.com/hip63.geo/controllers.html
hip63

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Snake
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posted 05-18- 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snake   Click Here to Email Snake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read this topic and went off to try itout. I have a fair bit of soiking problems with my Suncom Talon at the moment so I need all the help I can get.
Anyway I did what Zur said and I saw that mine is etup ok, I didn't need to adjust anything really.

Well I tried increasing the deadzone to the max and it got rid of any spiking I had but I lost about 1/2 inch of travel on my sitck. I think its worth it.
So if you have trouble with spiking then max the deadzone.

Snake

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Eyes
Pilot
posted 05-19- 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eyes   Click Here to Email Eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the sidewinder profile review delay, will be up in Monday due to work overtime ! But in general, I nevr got a problem with my FFpro with Sdoe or any other flight sim ! More details soon !

Zur, I never got your files, damn, I THOUGHT YOU WERE IGNORING ME & THE PZL 24G !!!

Anyway all good ! I just downloaded today from work, put it on a floppy disk and will fire it up today ! Will email you a review on Monday !
Is it done ?

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Vmartini
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posted 05-19- 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vmartini   Click Here to Email Vmartini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a GenX 500. it has throttle, 4 buttons(3 thumb buttons and a trigger) 3 axies(forward and back, side to side and twist for the rudder

its pretty good(supposing my complet lack of control on the ground is lack of skill with the rudder!) and i suppose it was cheap because my dad bought it to replace a 2 axis, 2 bottun one that was broken.

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