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Jerry Pilot	posted 05-14- 08:18 PM Has anyone noticed that the AI can not take off when the Spit Mk Ia has any wing ordnance but it can with the other Spits? IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 05-14- 08:35 PM The Spit 1a isnt supposed to carry bombs anyway! IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 05-14- 09:45 PM Then why is there a loadout for it? Light bombing, Heavy bombing, 2-500lb, 2-250lb and 8 60lb rockets are all included. Shouldn't the loadouts be historically correct? And why have them if they don't work for AI? I discovered this flying the BoB campaign someone went to a lot of effort to build and you have to go in and change the Spit model to fly it. This is a PlanePak plane. I thought historical accuracy was one of the goals of the PlanePak. Just my 2 cents. [This message has been edited by Jerry (edited 05-14-2001).] IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 05-14- 10:05 PM From all my books, and gaming experience, the Spit 1a did not have a bomb loadout or a rocket loadout. This was a BoB fighter, not a bomber. Later Spit variants have bomb and rocket loadouts, but not the Spit 1a. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-14- 10:18 PM The model of stuka we have also is not supposed to have bombs. Also with our small collection of BoB planes it was pretty boring not being able to bomb as allies. TS [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 05-14-2001).] IP: Logged
wakeup tailgunner JAG	posted 05-15- 04:56 AM well.....we'll just have to do something about that then! Blenheim...Fairy Battle....Wellington....Hampden.....Whitley......any takers ? ------------------ =V67= IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-15- 06:46 AM Jerry-- Without giving too much away-- there are attempts to rework the loadouts...10 at a time Argov is right-- it wasn't until the Mark V that bombs started being dropped....the early variant 1a was concerned with one thing and one thing only-- fighting defensively against the Luftwaffe....when the V variant came out-- they started a bit more offensively attacking ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 05-15- 11:15 AM I knew that the Mark I didn't carry bombs - what were the Brits supposed to bomb during the BoB? Theirs was strickly a defensive battle. My only point is that if the loadouts aren't going to be historically accurate then they should at least work for those mission builders who want to apply a little "artistic license". The BoB campaign is a lot of fun and it's frustrating to have some of the missions not work unless you change them and make them even more historically incorrect with later Spit models. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 05-15- 11:28 AM Sorry, I think that's wrong. The Brits bombed a lot during BoB. They bombed Berlin in 1940, as a revenge after the first bombing of London. And they also bombed continental harbors where the Germans were preparing their ships for the invasion of GB (Operation Seel�we). IP: Logged
Sunray Pilot	posted 05-15- 11:48 AM Yes, Pachy they did bomb Berlin but not with a Spit. A Spit would have crashed somewhere over France I think. Not enough gas! A Spit 1's wings would likely have bent with a bomb hung on it. Too thin. Everybody needs to remember that this is a game. A simulation, not a simulator. While I think it would be really slick to have Wimpy's etc in the game, we, currently, don't. And as I have no programming talent I don't complain about stuff I can't help fix. Build us a Wimpy or Wellington or Blenheim and we'll all fly it. IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 05-15- 11:54 AM Sunray - Pachy wasn't saying they bombed Berlin with spitfires!! He was talking about the RAF engaging in bombing activities in general. You're right though, we do need some more British heavies, preferably ones that were in active service in during the BoB. What a nice complement it'll be to the Heinkel 111 when it's finished! Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 05-15- 12:00 PM I got acceptable Blenheim 3-views (every possible variant) if anyone is interested IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 05-15- 12:32 PM I could build you the model with good 3ways realy quick (getting good at that), would only take a couple of days, but I'm crap at cockpits and lets be honest, I have enough of my own projects plus a couple of others that I realy do need to get done, still, if there's something of a team that wants to work on this then I'll help out and build it and get it into OPS with a basic flyable FM, then it'll need someone to FM and DM it and add a pit and texture. IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 05-15- 01:20 PM The reason we chose to have a bomb loadout for the Ju87G-2 was the G-2's similarity to the bomb carrying 'D' version. All the bomb loadout lacks are the dive brakes of the D, however the 2 x 20mm cannon and bomb load are correct. ------------------ Yardstick painted this IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-15- 02:11 PM I agree with Yard here... We were lucky to have mposis to build the Stuka for us...he chose a G model and that's great-- it is fun to blast Tiger tanks with those cannons The problem lies in that we have lots of aspirations as to what planes should be done-- but not enough modelers to fulfill all the requests-- so I think to settle things- it is perfectly acceptable to have changeable variants through loadouts. So that we can have a D model Stuka....as long as the FM's are pretty close-- what's to say whether it is wrong or right. It sure would make my aircraft folder a lot smaller if instead of 2 versions of a 262-- the regular A-a and the 50 mm variant (U1 I think)-- we could have the 50 mm as a loadout option instead....just change fariings etc....would make for some easy work I think if it is similar in FM...don't you agree? ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Werner Molders JAG	posted 05-15- 02:44 PM Uh, guys... I'm no expert on plane building so I don't know what exactly he's done, but Scorpion Rouge has a Ju87D available for download at his site. I don't recall the url on his site right now, but its at the bottom left of my frontpage (click on the link in my signature). Also he sent me a 3 view of a B (Battle of Britain variant) model stuka, so if anyone wants it shoot me an email. Looks like the canopy would need a lot of work for starters, but I'm betting the dials and such would be more or less the same. Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 05-15- 06:33 PM Werner, for a BoB version, (The Ju 87-B) the nose radiator would have to be made large and round, dive brakes would have to be added, and the cockpit framing would have to be changed a little bit. Also a new skin would have to be made. IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-20- 11:34 AM Actually-- While we are on the subject ....the Spit V should not have wing pylons for bombs....but only a 500 lb fuselage bomb The Spit IX carried wing bombs- but not the V....according to more than one of my sources ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-22- 08:28 PM IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-22- 09:18 PM OK then... I believe I stand corrected Thanks TS....say those bombs look familiar don't they wtg? ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-22- 09:22 PM But I do have pics of a fuselage bomb also somewheres for the V....gotta find it though It may be a bit LOL ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-22- 09:35 PM ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-22- 11:46 PM Finally a reason to crack open this big spit book I picked up last month ! [This message has been edited by Tailslide (edited 05-22-2001).] IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-22- 11:52 PM Do our bombs look like that? I cant remember. IP: Logged
Nat JAG	posted 05-22- 11:53 PM and er... how maney polys is that bomb mounting? IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-23- 06:47 AM Default in-game? No But in my weapons folder there is one-- whenever I get these fool loadouts done, I will send them along with all the newly made weapons to spin This upgrade project is a good thing-- trust me!! ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Da Wing Waxer Pilot	posted 05-23- 07:07 AM Yeah, but the pics show MkV's. I thought the problem was the Mk I's IP: Logged
Jeeves JAG	posted 05-23- 10:34 AM Well-- we know the I's didn't carry bombs- so it is just a matter of taking them off the loadout (Which I already did!) But we need someone to model the fuselage mount for the V now And the IX? Don't know if they carried them-- although they are present in Jane's WWII Fighters. ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 05-23- 08:01 PM I love this book ! This one is for the spit ix. ------------------ www.airsims.com IP: Logged

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