posted 05-07- 09:55 PM               

So here's the idea- and new guys are requested to chip in too.

Please give one or two reasons why someone should try out SDOE.

I'll compile the answers into a webpage with no background and make it available for anyone with a site that wants to add it on.

In addition I'll put the reasons on a page on my site.

posted 05-07- 10:12 PM            

-Better 3d models than any other sim of the same generation.

-Quality terrain (no repeating tiles, looks good at low level)

WM

posted 05-08- 12:29 AM            

I would say that the flight dynamics are top of the line for 1
And for 2 because you can become totally engrossed in online and offline play.

And one other thing that I should have mentioned is what most others have stated, GREAT SUPPORT!!!

posted 05-08- 04:00 AM               

because it's the best sim I know (I played EAW, CFS1 and 2, B17 II, Mig alley)

because it's easy to play online

because this community is great

because you can create your own missions quickly

because there a lot of planes of great quality to download

because tehre is still much more godd planes in preparation

posted 05-08- 04:52 AM               

quote:

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Originally posted by Werner Molders:
-More detailed physics model than any other sim of the same generation.

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You better strike the 'of the same generation' part

-Gecko

posted 05-08- 08:44 AM               

The best online support with ongoing addons and updates, unlike other sims that release 1 or at best 2 updates or addon packs, SDOE is constantly growing

posted 05-08- 08:45 AM               

Much better graphics, aircraft, targets & terrain, animations, 3d cockpits

Better collisions modeling - no blowing up because you within 50 ft of another plane

Better damage modeling

Shared AI, bombs & rockets in multiplayer, (I haven't seen this myself yet but it is my understanding)

Online game structure makes cheating difficult in not impossible

posted 05-08- 09:17 AM            

You better strike the 'of the same generation' part

-Gecko

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Do you mean that as in there is a sim of the same generation with better physics or that SDOE has better physics than any other sim, period? If the latter, I made the reference to the generation because IL2 will soon be out.

Werner

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posted 05-08- 03:28 PM               

So, I have to agree with Geko

posted 05-08- 03:59 PM               

Snake

posted 05-08- 04:07 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Sv:
IL2 will have better physics?

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You're inferring things Sv - IL2 is coming out soon, and it _could_ have better physics than SDOE. Why pump up a claim and say SDOE's physics is the best ever when we could say SDOE's physics is superb and be correct. Suppose we say SDOE's physics is the best ever, and IL2 ends up eclipsing SDOE - people may read lose faith in the entire list if they see that some of the claims aren't entirely truthful.

Nat - You didn't touch on physics at all, which isn't a bad thing seeing as you don't have access to the beta. (neither do I) The point I'm making is to play it safe. I know you're peeved because of Oleg's user mod policy, but that's a good thing for those of us around here, especially if it means we get a He 111 out of it.

Werner

posted 05-08- 07:05 PM               

I just got back online after a complete reinstall and i lost all the stuff i was working on.

just kidding! that stuff is all on another computer.

I would say the best reason to get SDOE is cause I make planes for it.

Naw really. cause no one can touch out physics and no other game can do all the stuff we are doing in SDOE.

posted 05-08- 08:03 PM               

2. I have yet to see a prettier sim. Where else can you get killed by a plane you just blasted? Realistic terrain toot-toot.

posted 05-08- 08:32 PM               

1)It doesn't need a super dooper top of the line computer set-up to get it running nicely!

2) It has good camera views. After playing CFS2 and it's lack of any good views(Where it our chase plane cam?!?! the one in the game sux!)

3)COLLISIONS!!!!

4)Atmosphere. In the menus, the great radio broadcasts.

5) It's just a hell of a damn shibbee (Jeeves ) game!

posted 05-08- 10:14 PM               

For instance, check out this pic:

And this one: http://il2.sim-arena.com/screens9/pic4.html

posted 05-08- 10:40 PM               

ok i said too much i know.

posted 05-09- 03:58 AM               

As it stands, SDOE has the best physics of any flight sim, period. Il-2 is still very far from being released, at least not within what will amount to a significant portion of SDOE's total life. Il-2 indeed looks like it could be on par or surpass SDOE in the physics respect, at least from all I could read how things are modelled and Oleg's knowledge, but I haven't seen any version of Il-2 yet in person so I cannot comment on it. The only sure comment can be, that, right here, right now, SDOE is at the top of physics of flight modelling.

And even if it weren't to remain so in the future, the physics engine will still be close to the top, and, furthermore, I see no other sim on horizon that will enable you to build custom planes and missions and let you smoothly play them online with more than 10 people and without cheating at that. So SDOEs life is hardly under threat, as it doesn't depend on the mass appeal (which is invariably biased towards the latest and flashiest).

-Gecko =FC=

posted 05-09- 09:36 AM               

I just was under the impression that the focus of IL-2 was not physics - but more the game play and high quality rendering of the world. In my mind, you can not focus on everything... and so if a new game has many amazing things, certainly some things must be compromised. This was the case with B17 II... I heard that this sim would have the best physics model every - and I more or less fealt I "knew" that it would not- simply because such a thing would be impossible to accomplish along with the other game objectives. Of course, people can achieve the seemingly impossible...

SDOE was really focused on physics from day one- and IMO, that is why so many typically "standard" sim features never made it into SDOE.

It is kind of like a "real" sports car... no leather seats or air conditioning - too much weight! Any "real" sports car most have a focus and never compromise.

But there is plenty of room in the world for other highly desirable autos with their own mission...

IL-2 looks to be amazing, but I will be stunned if the physics model beats SDOE... but I don't think a great sim needs to beat the SDOE physics model to be a way better sim - or way better game.

posted 05-09- 01:57 PM               

depend on how you define the quality of physics model. If it's generality and flexibility, then it most likely will not surpass SDOE, as the OpenPlane engine simply is brilliant and way too general than what is needed for a simple flight sim. If, on the other hand, it's accuracy in the regimes that matter most, then it jsut might beat SDOE in aspects such as engine modelling, flight surface blanketing (you told me about the term, remember ?) and such fine details.

But, as you said, I'll wait and see, as too often too much was promised too soon. I do have a good feeling about this one (and I didn't about B-17 II, for example).

posted 05-09- 02:21 PM            

1. Flight models aside, if objects in the simulation behave according to the laws of physics better in simulation A than simulation B, then in my mind sim A has the better physics model. Given that we're in the business of flight simulations here, I think it is important to note that IL2 models the effects of altitude on a/c performance (basically air density). This has huge implications for combat, and is something not modeled in SDOE. Also I've carefully examined each of the videos released showing IL2 gameplay for cues about what I can expect from this game. There was one that simHQ made recently that ended with a plane crashing into the ground. The crash sequence was very reminiscient of similar incidents in SDOE, except that it didn't involve the same amount of pyrotechnics. Ok so maybe that's getting into DM a little more, but these things are important. The point is that from everything I have seen and read so far, in many respects SDOE and IL2 will be very comparable (which is a testament to SDOE), but unless something goes horribly wrong with UbiSoft at the last minute, IL2 is going to have features that SDOE _just_ _doesn't_ _have_. It's as simple as that! It doesn't make SDOE any less of a simulator, it just means that code and technology have progressed in nearly three years. I should hope so!

The IL2 vs SDOE debate is like politics, no side is ever going to yield, but if people take the time to understand each other then we can avoid the same petty brouhahas that happened between CFS, EAW and SDOE.

Also, don't think I've changed teams and am now parading around here professing the imminent death of SDOE, I'm over at Siggi's IL2 board frequently defending SDOE and if you want a token of my commitment to this sim and this community, check out http://af.3dgw.com/ (unless you've visited in the last 24 hours. )

Now back to the topic at hand - When compiling this list I think it will be important to keep in mind that one of the main criticisms about SDOE is that it's a dog's breakfast for add ons. Yes we have loads and loads of stuff, but all too frequently some are in beta or "not quite finished" and not only is it overwhelming to newbies, but it can mess things up. It's happened to me, it happened to Siggi, it has happened to others. With that in mind I think one of the best parts of SDOE is that our add-ons are organized and compiled using the plane pack system.

Werner