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Hawk
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posted 04-23- 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawk   Click Here to Email Hawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are some serious problems with our forum. We have had no luck in getting a reply from Inertia. I have emailed them my last email stating our problems and requested a reply.

There are some that want to move to another forum. Problems with new proposals so far are the banner and popup adds that come with free forums.

To have a forum close to this in quality we will have to pay.

I am currently looking at cost options of different forums and am thinking of purchasing one.

What are your thoughts?

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wakeup tailgunner
JAG
posted 04-23- 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wakeup tailgunner   Click Here to Email wakeup tailgunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mailed you with most of my thoughts...

key features we need:

1) No crappy ads. If we have to have ads, can they at least be relevant

2) Multiple topic forum!

3) Good standard of service ( like we had with this board when Inertia actually supported it fully..well MH / Mighty anyway! )

4) Find a way of keeping all the old tech info, links etc.

5) One that doesn't leave you bankrupt!

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li'l bastard
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posted 04-23- 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for li'l bastard   Click Here to Email li'l bastard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dunno about this paying thing...
I don't have what is called an economic indipendence nor a credit card....
Would u leave me in here all alone?

li'l b

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Nat
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posted 04-23- 05:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you know my thoughts on this Hawk, pretty much as WTG has summed up. The cost bothers me for one simple reason, that I can't afford it (even if it were cheap) and I hate the cost being pushed onto someone else. But yes, basicaly as Tail has said, multi forum message board, basicaly this forum is a good example of our basic needs and everything extra and above that I see as a real nice bonus. Temporary homes like SimHQ are one thing, but lets be honest about it, if we were to move from here then we simply need our own place

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 04-23- 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I'm just missing something obvious (I have been travelling...) but what's wrong with this forum and why does everyone want to move?

Maury

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Psi
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posted 04-23- 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Psi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've felt for a long time that Inertia no longer has an interest in this site and truthfully I'm suprised that it has come this far. I don't really have a problem with banners as long as it's "Something related" I do think it's time to consider the other options. Hawk I believe that there is enough free (at least for a while) stuff still out there that no cash out of pocket is necessary.
For the time being and while this site still works we can look at many ideas that people can contribute. So lets have it, any and all ideas welcome...

p

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Werner Molders
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posted 04-23- 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maury - there are some problems with the board that only guys at inertia (not MH or Mighty anymore) can fix and so far they haven't replied to any of Hawk's emails. Yes the board would seem to work fine right now, but upon closer inspection the password email sender no longer works reliably (so newbies may not be able to register - note this has also affected a couple veterans too), and there is another error that many of us see when posting, myself included. Some kind of 'server not responding' or 'wrong server' message after you hit submit reply, then it does end up putting up the post. Without support from Inertia this place is indeed slowly falling apart.

I second WTG's list plus one thing

1) No crappy ads. If we have to have ads, can they at least be relevant
2) Multiple topic forum!
3) Good standard of service ( like we had with this board when Inertia actually supported it fully..well MH / Mighty anyway! )
4) Find a way of keeping all the old tech info, links etc.
5) One that doesn't leave you bankrupt!
6) Having a UBB that looks and feels like this one would be fantastic
7) "Moderation" policy no more restrictive than the one we have here

WM

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Razer
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posted 04-23- 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been checking around and i've had an FSHangar Forum on the list for some time but never got around to setting on up. I have a ezboard created and you'll remember that's what our last board was.

I've checked in getting another UBB board but it's a one time fee of 256 bucks and with my current unemployment i can't fork out that kind of money right now.

I do plan to get the Hangar a forum and upload the new site soon. Just thought i'd throw that out for you guys.

I would also like to point out that infopop released version 6.0 on march 15 and we are still running 5.45c which seems like a really old version that i'm sure has a lot of bugs.


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Gustavo
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posted 04-23- 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gustavo   Click Here to Email Gustavo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are things that I don't know. ¿To who belongs this forum, to the creators of SDOE?
¿Does somebody pay for all this or is it free?
Perhaps seem silly my questions, but with the difficulty of the language, there are many things that I don't understand well.

Hay cosas que yo no sé. ¿A quien pertenece este foro, a los creadores de SDOE?
¿Alguien paga por todo esto o es gratis?
Tal vez parezcan tontas mis preguntas, pero con la dificultad del idioma, hay muchas cosas que no comprendo bien.

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Werner Molders
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posted 04-23- 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gustavo - los creador de SDOE que todavía visiten, el Mighty y del MH, son no más largos con la compañía que controla este website y foro, inercia (Inertia Games). Pensaría también que puesto que la inercia todavía está pagando la anchura de banda y el espacio del servidor que cuidarían bastante sobre su inversión para contestar a Hawk, pero no al parecer. Espero que contesta a su pregunta!

Gustavo - the creators of SDOE who still visit, Mighty & MH, are no longer with the company that controls this website and forum, Inertia Games. I too would think that since Inertia is still paying for the bandwidth and the server space that they would care enough about their investment to reply to Hawk, but apparently they don't. I hope that answers your question!

Werner

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Hawk
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posted 04-23- 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawk   Click Here to Email Hawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And it gets worse.

The two emails I sent to Inertia today were bounced back to me as non-recievalbe. Not a good sign.

If anyone from Inertia is reading this please contact me by email or by posting here.

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Jerry
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posted 04-23- 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I know, Inertia was 4 guys. MH, Mighty, Ron Dimant(sp?) the owner, and the guy who did art work (sorry, forget his name). So don't expect anyone from "Inertia" to be reading this, unless MH and Mighty were replaced and the new guys are reading.

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Lothar
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posted 04-23- 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lothar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hawk, did you try the tech address from whois.net? (Joel Braby)

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Hawk
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posted 04-23- 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawk   Click Here to Email Hawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes Joel was the contact MH recomended, he did not reply.

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Biggles
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posted 04-23- 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Biggles   Click Here to Email Biggles     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
G'day fellers,

I realise that i'm not exactly very high up in the chain of things, or the most influential member, but i figured i should add my 2cents.


Being fresh from school, this idea came quickly to mind.....

How about a 'fund raiser'?

People with access to CD burners could burn a CD with important files, and then us members, could purches (for a good price) a copy of the CD with funds going to getting the new forum.

This plan may seem a bit sketchy, but if you guys really want a new froum, you might like to keep it in the back of your mind's.


Biggles

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Snickers
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posted 04-23- 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snickers   Click Here to Email Snickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, he may have something there... It would not be ethical to profit from the efforts others have put into the planes. But if instead of profit, it was funneled back into the community......
Good one Biggs!

[This message has been edited by Snickers (edited 04-23-2001).]

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Nat
JAG
posted 04-23- 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wasn't going to show this simply because I wanted to talk things over more with some of the senior members, but here goes:
http://www.coolboard.com/myboards.cfm?oid=54349675996185

This is a free forum I setup the other night while talking with Hawk about our woes here at the FSIC. Now, this was setup mostly to make sure

1: We have a fully setup board should we need one
2: Just to see how a new board would work, there's no point in talking about moving before we know the new home works well
3: See what we can expect from a FREE board. As it stands, there are 2 small adverts, one top and bottom, and a popup advert that I honestly never noticed before because it's behind everything, but it doesn't keep jumping to the top atleast.

Now, for my mind, this is the best FREE board we could have (in standard atleast), but I also agree that if we're having a new home, the best place would probably be with W-W-W although thats not to discount Razer either.

Now, keeping all the old threads.. I don't see how we can do that at all unless someone from Inertia will speak to us because we would need access to copy all of the archieves, the problem though even if we got them would be finding a way to be able to use them in a similar way as to now.

This board I setup WAS NOT meant as yet another message board, it was for a possible new home, or at the least to show whats what and see how it would work, so if you like you can check it out, there's a Poll Vote going on in the general forum that I may just go and expand a little now.

btw, I also find this board I set up pretty slow for me

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Jerry
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posted 04-23- 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to put a damper on this but Spoon's CD did have all the important files and he charged just the cost of making and shipping it - with no "fund raiser" add-on. I don't think he sold too many. So how many do we think will sell if it costs even more?

I like the idea, but I'm not sure there is much market for it...unless a lot of us buy it for the "cause". It was certainly worth more than the $8 I paid for it.

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Psi
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posted 04-23- 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Psi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Think I'll get me one of them thar cameras

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3dp
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posted 04-23- 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3dp   Click Here to Email 3dp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In light of the apparent continued lack of response from Inertia noted earlier in this thread, I have now swung my vote from "Wait for a response from Inertia" to "Let's move to Nat's".

Normally, I'm very conservative about such things (there's very little I'm conservative about!), but, and please forgive the naval analogy, I feel like the ship was slowly sinking but could be saved. Now I fear a magazine explosion!

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DanW
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posted 04-24- 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DanW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you guys tried calling Ron Dimant directly?

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Snickers
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posted 04-24- 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snickers   Click Here to Email Snickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posted for Da Jug Head:
I had the same idea Nat did. Last week I set up a board with everyone.net
to test out. I think we should have people look at a couple of options
before making up our mind.

This link is to the test board. It would need a more complete setup if it
was to be permanent, but you can get an idea how it works. This board
also allows adding logo's and graphics.
Http://fscentral1.community.everyone.net

I think we should give it a eek or so, let everyone do test posts, and
take a vote.

Something everyone should know.

The Ultimate Bulliten Board is going to a pay service as Nat said.
However, the price he gave is if you are going to use the software on
your own server. This would mean someone would have to set up a server
too with at least Dsl as the connection.

UBB will host boards as they do now, but there will be a fee for the
service. When I was looking for a free board, everyone using UBB was not
allowing new subscribers as they were trying to find another option.

Come on guys, no one should have to pay out of their own pocket just
because we've beeen spoiled by the current FSIC and are worried about an
ad or two (although I will admit, some boards can get pretty obnoxious
about it).

How many of us have websites with free hosting services that have ads?
I'd say well over 95%, yet no one complains about it. Maintaing and
running servers and software is costly, especially when you consider the
security issues. I say, if they want to put up an ad- go ahead, it's a
small price to pay for the convenience and reliability.

Let's look at finding the service that provides the most convenience and
is the least obnoxious and get on with it.

Now, about the Tech Talk issue. If you guys will do searches on the
topics most dear to your heart, copy and paste the threads and send them
to me, I'll assemble them as downloadable FAQ's and make them available
to everyone to post on their site and I'll even put up an SDOE Tech site
if need be where you can download them. (I need something to do during
lunches with my work laptop- it has NT so I can't fiddle around in OPS)

Da Jug head

[This message has been edited by Snickers (edited 04-24-2001).]

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Hawk
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posted 04-24- 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hawk   Click Here to Email Hawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The free boards are not the answer. Many will not go to a forum with pop up adds and banners, I would rather not.

I was at Nat's forum this morning and was left with two popups, one covered most of my desktop and was for an adult web site!

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WWDubya
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posted 04-24- 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WWDubya   Click Here to Email WWDubya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hawk:
There are some serious problems with our forum. We have had no luck in getting a reply from Inertia. I have emailed them my last email stating our problems and requested a reply.

There are some that want to move to another forum. Problems with new proposals so far are the banner and popup adds that come with free forums.

To have a forum close to this in quality we will have to pay.

I am currently looking at cost options of different forums and am thinking of purchasing one.

What are your thoughts?


If you feel these discussions (at least as far as WWI goes) must move due to problems, you can contact Jupes ( jupes@wingsofhonor.com ) and see about migrating to the WoH site.

WoH is dedicated to WWI sims and I'm sure that you will all be welcome. The one caveat is that in order to post there, you need to submit a request to vonSchtupp to get a login and password.

Currently, the site is primarily RBII/RB3D focused, but the infussion of fresh ideas and new people could do wonders for the community...

Just an idea...

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