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Topic: La-7 Final Beta
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Nat JAG
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posted 04-06- 08:03 PM
Hi guys, well, thanks to Razer for sorting out the shadow, and after having good feedback from Jeeves, this will be the final beta verion before she's finished.Jeeves kinda convinced me to release her by his rather excited and complimentary response to the beta he flew (thanks Jeeves!) The last of the known bugs are: tail wheel DOF needs fixing Canopy needs remapping ASI needs fixing (Air speed indicator) If you have the latest patch installed then only use the La7 if you are flying her, she has the new code for Manual Prop Pitch which means the AI can't fly her till Bryan fixes the code up right, but if you're flying you can control the prop pitch by adding the following to your Keyboard.inp inpPropPitchUpDigital = Control UpArrow : 0 5 inpPropPitchDownDigital = Control DownArrow : 0 5 inpToggleAutoPitch = Alt A Please post any bugs, comments or pretty screenshots in here  Werner, I've not dumped this in the downloads section because this is a beta test version for feedback etc thats right.. take your finger off that trigger.. LOL The link to d/l is: http://members.nbci.com/naturlich/La-7.ZIP no mission included, you must make one using mission ed Extract to your Media folder Happy flying guys, hope you like her ~Nat~ ------------------ 7./JG3 "Naturlich" "SDOE... What and where would you like to fly today?" http://members.nbci.com/naturlich/index.htm [This message has been edited by Nat (edited 04-06-2001).] IP: Logged |
Werner Molders JAG
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posted 04-06- 08:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Nat: Werner, I've not dumped this in the downloads section because this is a beta test version for feedback etc thats right.. take your finger off that trigger.. LOL
Whoa! Didn't expect to see my name come up in that. What do you mean, "take your finger off the trigger"? I'm not a big beta critic around here! Heck, I rarely even have the time to test betas anyways!  Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-06- 08:41 PM
LOLOL Werner, I simply meant about moving it into the downloads forum LMAO don't be so touchy Bro! I'm one of the good guys  IP: Logged |
Werner Molders JAG
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posted 04-06- 10:21 PM
Ah, you were talking about my moderator duties, I misunderstood.  W. Molders President Werner's Removals  See, I haven't lost my sense of humour.  ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged |
Werner Molders JAG
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posted 04-06- 10:53 PM
Nat - I downloaded the plane, but what should the foldername for the a/c be, exactly? "media/aircraft/la7" for instance, or /LA7 or /La7 or /La-7... Thanks! I'm really looking forward to taking this one for a spin. Werner  ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged |
ArgonV Pilot
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posted 04-06- 11:18 PM
Media\aircraft\La-7  IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-06- 11:22 PM
Werner, mail me please, I found the problem and need to update you with 2 files OR, you can redownload it from the above fixed link if you have a good connection it's no big hassle, then it will extract to Media as I said in the first post.Sorry guys, I'll get these things right one day [This message has been edited by Nat (edited 04-06-2001).] IP: Logged |
Jeeves JAG
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posted 04-06- 11:52 PM
Geez Nat...Am I that convincing ...maybe I should be talking to jedi LOL....(jedi-- I am kidding bro-- no one enjoys your work more than I do and I know the SBD will be worth however long it takes to finish! ) I just hope everyone has the same experience I have had with her....lots of surprises in this one! ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged |
Sunray Pilot
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posted 04-07- 12:36 AM
Just flew it. I still love your aircraft, however, I still don't get, and let me clarify my last comments, a reticule for the gunsite. Also, on the bombing mission, I don't get the bomb whistle. I suspect something's not paying attention to that. S'ok. If you saw how I landed it, in the landing mission, you'd laugh your ass off. Straight down and flare out at horrendous speed, then crash.(beer is a wonderful thing) It's fabulous though. I do wonder if the reticule thing is my video card, except that I get it with everything else. It's a lot more fun than the Yak. (My respects to whoever did that one. It's fabulous too.) I just wish I had even a little of the talent it takes to do this. Did I thank you yet? If not, thanks, it's great. What fun! Oh and how fast would an HE-111 die?[This message has been edited by Sunray (edited 04-07-2001).] IP: Logged |
Werner Molders JAG
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posted 04-07- 02:31 AM
INCREDIBLE!I just flew the b17/la7 DM exhibition mission, and I swear it was like something out of IL2. I watched the La7s of course, and while several would take engine hits and then power glide to an inconspicuous belly landing, some of the collisions were spectacular. One for instance, where one B17's tailgunner was shooting at a La7 - all the little shredded wheat damage we're used to, and like in the IL2 promo videos, then a big chunk of cowling flies off, and the wings take damage. More shots to the engine, and then get this - the engine block separates from the plane, and true to the laws of physics, the centre of mass of the two stay on the same course while the two objects themselves diverge slightly from the explosion, but while the flaming (and I mean big plumes!!) engine block sailed under the B17, the plane tipped slightly to its port side and knifed right through the port wing of the plane!! It looked almost the same as that sequence of shots from IL2 where you see the Yak knife through a He111. Absolutely stunning! In the next mission I flew the La7, and took on a B17 that fell out of formation. While I'm sure the FM needs tweaking, in its current form its fun to intercept bombers with - high cruising speed, good climbing ability... I would get about 2K feet above and behind the bomber, then zoom in and aim for the inboard engines(the reticles rule!). As I closed to within about 100ft, snap roll and inverted dive. I did this, and a few barrel rolls around the bomber to get behind it again, for long enough to empty 200 rounds into one B17. I got an engine smoking and a few small explosions for my effort, with 10 rounds left. In my last pass, just as I was inverting, the last rounds blew off the vstab of the bomber. I popped to outside view, and the La7's fuse was ripped all to pieces, but the engine hadn't been hit (I figure because of my barrel rolls, they were shooting at me from the side). I landed her at Eastbourne. This plane is loads of fun, especially for a beta. I strongly recommend it! Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged |
Jeeves JAG
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posted 04-07- 03:10 AM
Werner--I had the same thing happen...only the cowling and the fuselage were sliding together at the same pace....I was watching to see which piece won-- but then the fuselage disintegrated in a huge explosion What can I say Nat--I am glad you are with us and not with EAW or IL-2  ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged |
Rendsburger Pilot
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posted 04-07- 07:09 AM
Nat, i saw the windows taskbar flashing into the game,if i hit F2 and watch the plane from outside.I never saw this before. I testet it with SDOE 1.5 ,not the betapatch.Rendsburger IP: Logged |
Rendsburger Pilot
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posted 04-07- 08:56 AM
i made a new mission-no grafic problems. No idea what happened before.Rendsburger IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 09:34 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys  Werner, excellent battle report I know exactly the scene you refere to, that must have looked awsome.. shame you didn't captuer a screen shot lol The FM is very close but I'm sure it has failings though, I'm just not skilled enough to maybe fine tune it without messing the rest of it up (believe me I've been through this over and over) but, that said, this was one of the highest performing aircraft of the whole war on any side, it would out perform almost every Messerchmitt, and from my findings in SDOE there's currently only the Yak3 and Spit IX (PTO not included) that match her in any respects, so she is a top of the line fighter but that said, in the same way Jedi has been constantly upgrading the Corsairs, the same can be said for the La7, the finished version will be version 1, not a final version  Sunray, I wish I could tell you whats going wrong, the La-7 REQUIRES PP6 though, so maybe this is the problem? Not hearing the bomb whistle is possibly linked to the number of sounds the La7 produces, I've found that the game must have a limit to the number of sounds playing at once, and the engine sounds take priority, so it's possible that the game has emmitted the bomb whistle. All in all though, I'm glad you guys enjoy her, I'll see about getting her finished of in the next few weeks and maybe recruit a little help for any points found on the FM  IP: Logged |
darthbob Pilot
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posted 04-07- 04:42 PM
is this my fault, video card or whatever or is it to do with the plane. cheers IP: Logged |
darthbob Pilot
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posted 04-07- 04:46 PM
by the way. this is one amazing machine. beautiful.IP: Logged |
Jeeves JAG
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posted 04-07- 05:13 PM
My favorite thing to do in this plane is get up high and dive down on an unsuspecting Axis plane and hear the RPM's increase and the engine whine. Heya Sv....when is this Doppler patch gonna be out?  ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! Jeeves =FC= IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 05:27 PM
OK, seems there are some problems with the shadow, can't tell you why because from looking at the pic it seems you have the right download, but anyway, I've just uploaded a small update zip that "should" fix it.If anyone else is having problems with the shadow, or if you don't have a textured prop, then this little download should fix it. (177kb) http://members.nbci.com/naturlich/La7Update.ZIP I hope this helps you out, if not please let me know and I'll track down why you're not seeing the proper shadow texture. IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 05:50 PM
After having a little talk with Werner about the apparent "uber" FM, we decided it would be a good thing to post some info on the La-7 for those that don't know so much about the aircraft, this is meant to show that as with any FM this one may not be perfect, but actualy far from being uber it's IMO a pretty close representation. The La-7 is a late war aircraft produced using the best technology of the time, and if flown against anything other than comparative aircraft (109G6, FW190D)it will massively outperform them across the board in all areas.Other than that, it's interesting reading anyway LOL History: First flown as the LaGG-5 in January 1942, the La-5 was not the first example of the mating of a more powerful air cooled radial engine with an airframe designed for a liquid cooled inline, however it may be the most successful. A result of the reengineering of the decidedly unsuccessful LaGG-3 to accept the Shvetsov M-82 radial, by July all LaGG's on the production line were reworked toward this end. Very light, exceptionally maneuverable and over 30 miles per hour faster at low altitudes than the 109G, the La-5 demonstrated a much welcomed improvement over its inline predecessor and was one of the first Soviet fighters to achieve parity with their German adversaries. The La-5 was a superlative low to mid altitude air superiority fighter. It excelled at close in, high G maneuvering combat, had sensitive controls, great climb and dive qualities, and excellent stall recovery. While hindered somewhat by its limited armament of only 2, 20 mm cannons, this was finally a fighter that would demand the respect of the Luftwaffe. Progressing from the La-5 to the La-5FN with its more powerful M-82FN engine (FN= Forsirovanni Nyeporedstvenny or "boosted engine")and a lighter airframe, the La-5FN proved its worth over Kursk, and would become the standard Lavochkin of the massive air battles of 1943. The final variant of the family was the La-7. Reaching operational status in May of 1944, the La-7 was the result of a major redesign effort to reduce drag and further decrease weight. As a reward for their work, the Lavochkin team produced a fighter that was just as maneuverable with an even higher top speed, and is widely considered the finest Soviet fighter of the war. As a testament to the quality of this group of fighters, Ivan Kozhedub, the highest scoring allied ace of the war with 62 confirmed kills, scored all his kills while in a Lavochkin fighter. During the course of the war he flew the La-5, the La-5FN, and finally the La-7. His last kill of the war was scored while in an La-7 against an Me 262. IP: Logged |
darthbob Pilot
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posted 04-07- 06:17 PM
that fix worked a treat. cheersIP: Logged |
Raider Pilot
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posted 04-07- 06:48 PM
Nat, this plane is a work of art. What a valuable addition to SDOE. Thanks for all your hard work and effort. IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 07:21 PM
Thanks Raider I've just finished the La-5FN to the same level as the La-7 is now, but I'll not release that just yet, I'm just glad to give you guys something I've had alot of fun and pain making and flying from the past couple of months  I guess really I should add the Lagg-3 to my list.. so now it's official, the Lagg-3 is in production  IP: Logged |
Psi Pilot
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posted 04-07- 08:58 PM
Nat, Great job on this one and it truly is a work of art. Gotta love those 20mm sounds  P IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 09:09 PM
damn Psi, sorry I really meant to mention them in the first post, I always said they are excellent though, I'm supprised no-one else has mentioned them  Great work and very maney thanks for doing it for me  IP: Logged |
Vahnatai Pilot
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posted 04-07- 09:19 PM
werner....can u email me those DM missions? my mission editer is working so i can make my own missionsIP: Logged |
Psi Pilot
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posted 04-07- 09:25 PM
LOL, no problem my friend, for you as always I'm more than happy to do stuff for ya.P IP: Logged |
Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-07- 09:44 PM
Nat your a genious.I too had a wee glitch with the shadow your update soon sorted that out.I agree with you PSI those guns sound sweet.Thanks for the History also.
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Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-07- 09:48 PM
Nat your a genious.I too had a wee glitch with the shadow your update soon sorted that out.I agree with you PSI those guns sound sweet.Thanks for the History also.
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Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-07- 09:58 PM
Thanks Nat your fix worked for me too. Your a Genious Good dm, no amazing dm and I agree with the other guys teriffic job and those guns are soooo good.Way to go Nat.:-)IP: Logged |
Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-07- 10:02 PM
Thanks Nat your fix worked for me too. Your a Genious Good dm, no amazing dm and I agree with the other guys teriffic job and those guns are soooo good.Way to go Nat.:-)IP: Logged |
Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-07- 10:11 PM
 sorry about that multiple post You must think I,m trying to get to pilot rank a Hawk  IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-07- 11:06 PM
LMAONo problem Dinga, just glad you wanted to express so often how much you like it  On the La-5FN, I've just added visible recoiling cannons, you can see the tip of the barrel recoiling, and when an engine cowl gets shot off you'll be able to see the cannon inside and how it jumps back and forth, do you guys think I should add this to the La7? I've given it inertia properties aswell so there should be a more noticable recoil when you fire them. I'm thinking of giving the cannon damage properties to allow for jamming due to damage IP: Logged |
Psi Pilot
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posted 04-07- 11:10 PM
Oh ya you gotta put those on, thats what I was waitin for you to do, P IP: Logged |
Harman_5 Pilot
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posted 04-08- 01:51 AM
Cool plane Nat, excellent job on the DM  ------------------ Visit FS:SDOE Online IP: Logged |
Sunray Pilot
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posted 04-08- 03:03 AM
Nat, while bomb whistles are cool, I'm more concerned with the gunsite reticule. Mind you, nobody else is saying a thing about it, so it's likely my crappy video card. Your La-7 is so much fun to play with I can learn to play with it without a reticule. (Trace is your friend!) And I've downloaded but have yet to install the update. Imagine an update for a beta! Cool! Oh and should I be seeing recoiling guns? Not that I'd see them anyway. I have enough trouble staying on target with any aircraft. And thanks. IP: Logged |
Werner Molders JAG
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posted 04-08- 03:56 AM
Heya Nat... more fun with the La7, this time blowing helpless Ju52 Trimotors out of the sky.  Two things I noticed though, and I suppose to be expected in a beta but: 1. Look backwards, then pull back on your stick. Note the floating control surfaces. 2. Also when the engine panels are blown off, the metal ribbing is very cool, but it too 'floats', since it doesn't attach back to the plane. Really only visible close up, but still. I am indeed nitpicking, but I'm examining the plane now as a very-close-to-finished product, because imo its in that league.  Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! [This message has been edited by Werner Molders (edited 04-08-2001).] IP: Logged |
Dinga Pilot
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posted 04-08- 04:20 AM
Please put those Recoiling Guns on her Nat.Now I just need someone to blow my cowling off thats sounds down right rude.  IP: Logged |
Stark Pilot
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posted 04-08- 04:50 AM
Well, it's pretty and I like the dmage effectsa whole lot...but... I think Imust be doing something wrong.. I know the ASI is broken but the one on the HUD should work right? I ask because I cannot climb for anything, merely keeping her level results in a steady loss of airspeed until the nose dips and I lose altitude... I put the prop-pitch entries in the keyboard.inp as instructed, however ALT A doesnt do anything so I set the manual prop pitch to what I am assuming is max power (ctrl up arrow several times)... so, what am i doing wrong? Cause right now shes anything but uber...more of a lame duck.-Stark IP: Logged |
Nat JAG
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posted 04-08- 08:44 AM
Hey Stark, actualy after some posts on the Patch forum we've found out that the Toggle Auto pitch doesn't work (the code needs fixing), but I have flown her myself under the patch and the prop pitch has worked fine, the best thing for you to do is download the update I've posted, in that the manual prop pitch has been removed and you should have no problems with it then.Silly Question, but you did update the Keyboard.inp thats in the same folder as the patch didn't you. IP: Logged |
Harman_5 Pilot
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posted 04-08- 08:48 AM
Stark, you're applying too much prop pitch from what I can tell. There's an area in the prop pitch setting where the prop is the 'biting' the most into the air. If you set max prop pitch, the plane will not thrust forward at all, and the same applies if you set too low a pitch. Just set the pitch to max, then slowly start reducing the pitch until you see the ASI climbing steadily, then leave that setting. ------------------ Visit FS:SDOE Online IP: Logged | |