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Von
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posted 03-10- 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Von   Click Here to Email Von     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no plane maker (yet) But I wanted to see if this version of the P-38 could be made for the game by someone? I think this would only be a modification to a built one.

The nickname "Droop Snoop" was given to Lightnings which had bombardier-type noses. These planes carried Norden Bomb sights and guided fleets of bomb laden P-38's to their targets. P-38L's were converted to this role.

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Von
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posted 03-10- 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Von   Click Here to Email Von     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Norden bombsight was one of the most closely guarded secrets of of the US. military during World War II. Invented by Carl Norden, it was a mechanical analog computer made up of gyros, motors, gears, mirrors, levers and a telescope. It was used to determine the exact moment bombs had to be dropped to hit the target accurately. On later versions of the B-17G, the Nordon bombsight would actually fly the plane through the bomb run while coupled to the airplanes controls. It was claimed to be accurate enough to hit a 100 foot circle from and altitude of 21,000 feet (4 miles). In actual combat conditions its accuracy was usually less than that. Nonetheless, it gave the American bomber crews the ability to cripple the Nazi war machine.

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Razer
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posted 03-11- 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Snickers finishes the P-38L i can change the nose and make this plane in about 10 mins.

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weasel
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posted 03-11- 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for weasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Razer, could there be a position that you could switch to that would allow you to control the bombadere (sp?) position? Thanks...
weasel

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-Audet-
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posted 03-11- 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for -Audet-   Click Here to Email -Audet-     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Talking about bombsights, there was also a british bombsight that only a few planes were fitted with. Mainly No#617 and #9 squadrons i think, they must have been quite complex since ,the accuracy 617 displayed droping tallboys and grandslams from 21000 feet on bridges and battleships was pretty amazing too.

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Snickers
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posted 03-11- 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Snickers   Click Here to Email Snickers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The droop snoot was actually a field mod and had no official designation.... The concept was to use one or two droop snoot planes at tha vangaurd of a flight of P-38's. When the DS dropped its ordinance, the following planes would be able to follow suit. There were actually several different layouts for the glasswork since it was custom...) Razer and I have had email discussions about this before, which is why it is waiting until the 38L is a viable plane (Hey I need reports from my test pilots!!!). Hopefully this can be implimented as a loadout, not a separate plane.... We will see...
A variant that has also been requested is the P38L-01-LO (I think I have the numbers right...) This one had no cannon, but 8 50's in the nose and 2 more 50's in gun pods under each wing.... (total of 12 50's!!! OUCH!!) Again, it will probably be impilmented as a loadout (I already have the gun pods )
Snickers
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Razer
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posted 03-11- 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by weasel:
Razer, could there be a position that you could switch to that would allow you to control the bombadere (sp?) position? Thanks...
weasel

Yep..

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Von
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posted 03-11- 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Von   Click Here to Email Von     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Razer.
Say anyone tell me what those pipes in the right hand upper corner are called and what they do in this photo of this P-38 cockpit?

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Razer
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posted 03-11- 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pilot heat tubes. It gets cold in those cockpits.

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Von
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posted 03-11- 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Von   Click Here to Email Von     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks agian Razer

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 03-12- 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Von:
The Norden bombsight was one of the most closely guarded secrets of of the US. military during World War II.

With the exception that a German ex-pat had shipped them the complete blueprint set (or tech drawings) in 1938.

Maury

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Werner Molders
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posted 03-12- 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then why were Germans picking through B17 wrecks looking for samples?

Werner

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Maury Markowitz
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posted 03-13- 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Maury Markowitz   Click Here to Email Maury Markowitz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Werner Molders:
Then why were Germans picking through B17 wrecks looking for samples?

Updates to the G's? Can't say for sure, all I know is that Heinkel mentions it in his book, and the Ju 88's sight changed in '39 to something similar soon after. Contrast this with things like the Sperry sight and such, which were not seen anywhere else.

Maury

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