posted 03-04- 10:54 PM            

Post feedback here. Hopefully the final version will be released this week.

I expect changes to be made yet before release. Primarily the b17g - which I'm expecting an update soon, and possibly some loadout updates.

Please read the instructions carefully before installing. The readme on my site or included in the zip file will clarify. Please be careful to backup your pp6.0 data12 file (you may want to go back to it still).

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Spin

posted 03-05- 11:01 PM            

I haven't been good about documenting the changes. I started out pretty good at this but have been sloppy lately - I'll try to keep better track going forward.

Changes for beta 3:

Lanc - removed the beta2 version for a bunch of reasons - replaced with an earlier version with a few updates. FM has been adjusted to closer to proper values - mainly weight changes. changed the weight of the plane from 12700 to 28000 lbs plus corrected one engine to match the others 750 to 1450 lbs. Also fixed the oil pressure gauges which were pegging due to a range problem in the coding.

P38F - with moving canopy added.

Gunsights were updated by Yardstick for the 109s, He162, and F4F4.

Harman's ju88a4 dm version 6.2 is included

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Spin

posted 03-06- 03:40 PM               

Did the "NET" loadouts make it in for all the planes? I haven't had a chance to check them yet, since I have been shoveling 2 feet of snow for the last 24 hours and 6 more inches are coming now until 12 tonight. I will test more as soon as I can.

posted 03-06- 04:19 PM               

Rendsburger

posted 03-06- 06:58 PM            

I tested the 262 pilot in the current beta 3 version of pp6.1 and have found it to have the parachute. I have observed this before if the pilot gets hit by the plane on his way out.

I believe the 262 pilot is the same as most of the other german planes. I expect this was a limited occurence.

On the NET loadouts, if the plane did not have 303s (or the other size) (or alterations to the original loadouts as created by Spoonman) I did not modify them.

posted 03-07- 01:23 AM            

On the me163 and the baracuda, I'd be happy to include them, if 1. Aladar would like the included, 2. they are "ready". If I had the pick between them the 163 would win out but i'll leave that to you guys.

posted 03-07- 05:05 AM               

Just trying to find a prop losing set up I like!

Also, I need feedback on some reported CTD's....I can't get it to do it!

posted 03-07- 05:05 AM               

Jug, check the skin, and see if there are abnormal markings around the tail area of "Ju88A4.tif" which is the undamaged skin. I'm sure that the effect you're seeing is simply part of the undamaged skin (paint markings or something) and is not damage at all. All the damage effects that happen are held on a tif called "Ju88A4Damaged" and the engine oil loss is held on "Ju88A4engoildamage".

I don't think this is an issue since as I said before, the plane doesn't have visual damage modelled on the tail or rudder at all, and the markings seen in the image above can be changed if desired by editing the undamaged skin tif. I have provided two extra optional skins to use as an option in my DM which were edited/created by Razer and Yardstick, so you can install these for a new-look if wanted.

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posted 03-07- 07:48 AM               

Yep, the markings on the tail are on the undamaged tif. So the DM is not the problem (I know you're glad to hear that).

I switched textures for now.

posted 03-07- 08:04 AM               

There's a problem with the current B-17G causing a ctd when testing the patch. Can you send me what you have so far on your new one?? I'd like to try it under the patch and see if the ctd problem goes away with your new machine.

Spin, I'd put in a vote for the Me 163 if you have to choose between the two.
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posted 03-08- 11:19 AM               

I have the new German readme's complete, with no changes at all to the loadouts. I'll send them to you tonight.

posted 03-09- 12:21 PM               

Also, I can't see any damage in that image of the ju-88 tail. Can you guys point it out to me?

posted 03-10- 02:20 AM               

Ju 88
The row of what looks like bullet holes above the cross, and the gray "bars" on the rudder

I switched to one of the other texture folders and it's fine now

posted 03-10- 02:25 PM               

The 109f does not have the problem you are showing on my pc. I have though recreated this effect in flight by pulling too many g's.

Take a look at it in training and let me know if the tail is broken before you even take off.

posted 03-10- 04:48 PM               

I only see this when the view is slightly below the aircraft, so I don't see it on the ground before takeoff.

I should have added this does happen at a distance, and the enlarged pic I posted could make someone think this happens closer.

it's not noticeable when the ground is behind the aircraft's tail as there isn't enough color difference. It's really only noticeable against the sky.

Question though. Are you running in Glide, and are you using DX8? I'm getting really suspicious of DX8 and am about ready to do a reinstall (best way to revert to DX7) if I keep seeing nagging little things crop up.

posted 03-10- 09:12 PM               

I did a "Search" and there was some earlier discussion of this. The answer had to do with some "flags" (whatever that means ).

posted 03-11- 01:28 PM               

sdoecache.tex is the file...

Jug, to me that looks like part of the ju-88 scheme. the area above the cross looks like tail nummbers and the rudder just looks like part of the scheme. I also take that the 109 is an F model? If so i'll fix the problem and send it to spin.

Spin, Yardstick as sent me the new 190 A3 with the engine fan and i'm going to port it over to the A8 so these can be included in the part i just need to hurry.

**update**

I just looked at the 109 and i'll have to add another LOD to the tail to get the problem fixed.

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posted 03-11- 03:31 PM               

By the way, it's not just a D3D problem. I tested it in OpenGL with the new patch and still get the flicker.

posted 03-11- 05:49 PM               

Spin, I just ported over the new engine fan from the 190 A3 to the A8. Yard should be sending it over once he checks for bugs.

posted 03-12- 11:55 AM               

Rgr on the tail issue with with 109e and 109f.

DX8 is a cause for alot of problems and a few people have used an uninstall utility and reinstalled dx7 successfully. I am a bit reluctant to give it a try. I have too much to lose on my pc at this time.

SEPARATE TOPIC:

The beta3 B17g CTD bug! I have been looking into this with WTG. I have been able to reproduce the ctd at will and by shooting any of the 4 engines. I am doing this using slew mode and for me it really is not a true ctd bug but instead a video lockup. A few hits into the engine and it seems the landing gear(and plane) drop down the height of the landing gear and then the video locks up hard. I have to alt-ctrl-del to get out and then restart the game.

I have ruled out the cowling and cowling flaps as a cause by removing them and still getting the "video ctd". I have also ruled out the damage effect commands within the new engines wtg made which he now calls "motors". The ctd still occurs with all the damage commands removed.
The landing gear doesn't seem to be the cause since any of the 4 engines can cause the ctd. I am thinking it may be something in the way the separate sub-engines are setup in the model. Or it could be the obhits values are too low and all the damage levels are hit at the same time and the video cards get over loaded? I hopefully will know more soon. It is just a short matter of time before I have ruled out all possible causes except for the real culprit and then I hope wtg can then make the adjustments needed. This version of the b17g is too good not to have in pp6.1.