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Topic: Learning New Skills @ the Psychedelic Squadron
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hip63
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posted 03-01- 02:58 AM
   
Well, I final got off my ass & started to take my first steps in to 3d modeling, today...Decided to go KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid!) & start with doing a new turret for the Tiger Tank, because the current one is a total fraud...It really doesn't even look like Panzer turret much less a Tiger...The bottom chassis looks good enough I think...so just doing the turret...I may try a couple of Panzers sometime, because in Hollywood the Germans only had Tigers, in reality they had way more Panzers than Tigers...BTW, I think the Sherman is reasonable close enough, though a couple more Allied Tanks would be good...Who knows, maybe Harman 5 will make'em drivable 
You can check it out here at my new projects page: http://groovygalaxy.50megs.com/fs_projects.html
hip63 
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semmern
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posted 03-01- 08:49 AM
One learns a lot from Kelly Johnson, eh?  There ARE driveable tanks already. IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 03-01- 10:57 AM
hip, you realize that there is a big difference between the tank you referred to above and the tank you referred to in your skins thread as simply "Tiger" instead of Tiger II or King Tiger... The King Tiger in SDOE is not a total fraud, in fact it's an awfully good model for a stock ground object. I wouldn't go so far as to speculate whether it models the Porsche Turret or the Henschel Turret, but after this and your last comments on the subject I'm not sure if there isn't a mixup happening here.Werner ------------------
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Werner Molders
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posted 03-01- 11:01 AM
Oh, and semmern's right, let's not forget that Archy hasn't just made the Sherman and Tiger drivable, but if you hit the canopy switch the hatch pops open and a tank commander comes up (one of the views moves accordingly), you can go into reverse if your driving gets you into trouble with a building, and there is a gunner view complete with gunsight. Imo don't reinvent the wheel. We don't have a Pz VI aka Tiger in the game, why not mod Archy's Pz VII aka King Tiger aka Tiger II to do the job? Werner ------------------
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hip63
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posted 03-01- 11:11 AM
Hey guys, I'm the guy that wote the Desert Fox Campaign (the FIRST campaign to in corporate drivable tanks, I KNOW thaey are driveable, I meant to have MORE!) Anyway, do a search on Tiget Tanks (I recommend www.google.com, the MOTHER of all search engines) & look at the pictures, I see none that look like what is SDOE, but hey, I didn't wanna start a fight, just wanted to know what you thought of my first modeling attempt...Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead...
hip63
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hip63
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posted 03-01- 11:30 AM
OK, I'm big enough to admit when I'm wrong, after looking up KING TIGER, I did see some pictures that do look like the SDOE model, but that still doesn't mean I can't do a regular Tiger & Panzer models, eh  ?
Besides I believe the Germans didn't produce as many King Tigers as they did other models.
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Da Jug head
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posted 03-01- 12:26 PM
Actually hip is right about them being a fraud. The current "King Tiger" tank is a Tiger I chassis with a Tiger II turrett.The Tiger I had the same profile on the front armor as the Pzkw IV, It was just bigger and had a lot more of it.
 The Tiger II had sloped armor in front like the Panther and T-34/85.
 The Tiger I tuurret did NOT have any sloping on the sides and the back of the turret was rounded with the boxes on the back giving the distinctive shape.
 The Tiger II or King Tiger turret is the one you see on the chassis of the tank in hip's skin picture.
 Hip, do you need the full size file of any of these pics? Also, I have a very high poly count 3ds model of a Panther- would you like me to send it to you? The Tiger I made it's appearance in Russian and North Africa in 1942. The Tiger II did not take part in combat until 1944. If it wasn't for the allied airpower on the west front chewing these tanks up before they could engage our armor, the casualty rate in US armored divisions would have been astronomical So when your flying a mission against a column of these brutes- the dogfaces are counting on you
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Werner Molders
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posted 03-01- 02:22 PM
DJH - 'fraid not. Take a good look at that SDOE T2 chassis, and then look again at those pictures you just posted. The SDOE T2 chassis looks nothing like the Tiger 1 chassis. Like I said that SDOE Tiger 2 is a faithful representation of the real thing. Of course when you turn something into a 3d model that's 'poly optimized' so it doesn't take a big bite out of FR the obvious characteristics get blurred a bit in the simplification, but I'd still say the SDOE chassis is closer to a KT than a T, and far, far from being a "total fraud".Hip - I never said you can't do other tanks, I was pointing out for the record that the Tiger II had already been made drivable by Archy. The fact that you had indeed made that campaign with tanks yet made this mistake baffled me even more. Werner ------------------
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Sunray
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posted 03-01- 02:38 PM
And ALL of 'em are "Panzers". This word means 'tank'. The vehicle you're talking about, I think, is a 'Panther'. The Germans had waaaay more Panzer Mk 3's and 4's than anything else. And all of the Tigers were completely unreliable and so were the Panthers. Not that any of this matters. Tanks in a flight sim are still mighty fine things.IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 03-01- 02:43 PM
Sunray - No, we're not talking about Panthers. Panther is PzV, we're talking about PzVI and PzVII.Werner ------------------
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posted 03-01- 04:48 PM
Actually, I was already thinking the same thing as Jug Head, look at the picture of the snow cats on my project page, to me it looks like a King Tiger turret on a Tiger chassic (the big give away is the front armor of the chassis). BTW, on the drivable comment, I knew about the drivable one, I just thought it would be cool to have more models available to choose from
hip63
PS- I didn't mean to stir up a big debate, just wanted to show off my first steps into 3d modelling...
(hip, scratches his head & starts to wonder if it's worth it  )BTW Jug, yes I would like that info... ------------------
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posted 03-01- 09:01 PM
Hip!!! It's not like that man! If I were you I'd take this discussion as a sign of interest, I mean when Archy used to announce a new tank beta in a thread, it would frequently go without a single reply! Look at the interest you've generated here - run with it!!Werner ------------------
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posted 03-01- 10:09 PM
Hip63,
During my days when I was excited about the possibilities of moveable ground units, I collected a bunch of links, images, and drawings to use to model ground units, if you would like I could package a bunch of info up for you to model to your hearts content.Archy IP: Logged |
Da Jug head
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posted 03-02- 10:12 AM
Hip,I took a real close up look at the chassis. The problem is the front of the tank is modeled wrong for both versions of the Tiger, as is the back end. Making the chassis more realistic will actually DECREASE the poly count. E-mail me and I can give some suggestions. I've worked with 3D programs since '92 and even had some stuff shown on a couple of local tv commercials (just let the cat out of the bag on that one). Problem is the software I use is a NURBS modeller and it's polygon export sucks. So, until I feel like learning a new app there's not much I can do for SDOE. But- I would be glad to help you get started with any tips and tricks that can be used on any program. Here's another thought. The main difference between the Tiger and PzkwIV chassis is size and tread width and bogie wheels. If you do a TigerI, you scale the chassis down, narrow the treads and use a different texture for the bogies (modellling them takes WAY to many polys). Now all you need is a new turret and you have the most widely used tank in the Wermacht from 1942 to 1944. Make 2 different barrel lengths and the short 75mm is what was used in Africa and early in Russia. The long barrel 75 is used from about 43 on. I also think the only difference between the PzkwIII and IV is chassis size and the turret, but I'd have to look at that again. Any way, you can see how a whole bunch of models can be produced without having to build everyone from scratch. I'll send you the files in my earlier post tonight.
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