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MudEye1 Pilot	posted 02-08- 10:12 PM There are of course opinions.I,ve played SWOTL,Fighter Duel,Which I thought had the most potential for FD2 but it died,1942 gold was fantastic with the capability to man the rear gunner(an awesome expierience)EAW which could not compete in graphic nor flight engine.Janes WW2 Fighters was and is a lot of fun and deserves praise for video documentation and historical information.As well as graphics.I just bought BOB and was disapointed since it usesa 2 year old "Mig Ally" graphics engine and does not agree with my 3d Prophet 2 ultra.The game play is nice but the graphics are poor.This brings me to my point.I've never had a problem with any graphic card with SDOE.Even with my New Ultra it looks better than ever.Even awesome.The flight model is fantastic,. Compared to other flight sims it is the most realistic and the graphics have always been awesome even as the game ages.It stomps Microsofts combat2 and anything else on the market.Even though the game is a couple of years old the graphics still rule! I don't think Activision recognized the great potential for a FS2.The only complaint I have with SDOE is that there are no Stukas.And the rear gunners of most planes seem to be to hard to control.Which in my opinion is a great thrill to be a rear gunner thats user friendly.!942 Gold was a blast to man rear gunners and they worked great.The game was buggy but overlooked the bugs because of the game engines capability to man rear guns.Fighter Duel was fantastic because you could jump out of the game while playing online,change your plane and jump back in with a different plane in a second! And I think we have a lot of FD followers here.But Over all I choose SDOE.The gameplay is great.The Graphics are fantastis even after a couple of years.The flight model is beyond the competition.The game engine is awesome.The contribution of knowledge givin freely by this community is astronomical.It is in my opinion the Greatest flight sim available.Largely in part due to knowledgeable faithful flight sim enthusiast who seen the potential in what is considered to be one of the "buggiest" flight sims ever.Yet the best,funnest,flight sim I've ever flown.Thanks for all those who contribute to keep SDOE alive.For it is by far to me the Greatest Flight sim ever! IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 02-08- 10:20 PM On a side note: We DO have a Stuka in SDOE. Where have you ben? [This message has been edited by ArgonV (edited 02-08-2001).] IP: Logged
Sunray Pilot	posted 02-08- 11:01 PM And I've actually shot down 2 Me262's in the gunner's seat in a Pe-2. The AI pilot promptly flies into the ground though. Most ifnot all the crewed aircraft let youplay gunner too. Stuka's gunner seat is great fun. IP: Logged
Werner Molders Pilot	posted 02-08- 11:17 PM quote: Originally posted by MudEye1: The only complaint I have with SDOE is that there are no Stukas. lol Gee Mudeye, you're going to have to dig deep for bigger and better superlatives now. I agree, SDOE rules. Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 02-09- 12:11 AM Ok, donning asbestos suit - here goes ( if I recall correctly ): Have played: RB1 - Falcon3.0 ( Loved the intro, hated the sim ) - Their Finest Hour - SWOTL ( oh, yeah ) - Aces of the Pacific - Aces Over Europe - Yeagers - Heroes of the 357th - B17 the original - 1942:PAW - RB2 - RB23D - EAW - WWII Fighters - CFS - SDOE - Nations:Fighter Command - Mig Alley - CFS2 - B17II - and Battle of Britain ( Rowan ). Also along the way, a couple of jet sims and helo sims quickly forgotten - not that they were bad, but because I have no interest in the genre, thus no desire to devote learning time. And now, the envelope, please - and my winner is ( cringing ) - Rowan's Battle of Britain!! BUT!!! It is a personal preference, based on my interests and expertise. This in spite of the fact that it has been the hardest sim to get running for me since WWII Fighters and Falcon 3.0. First runner-up is online SDOE, the best all around WWII combat sim I have ever experienced! So, don;t turn the flame throwers too high, ok? ------------------ nealg=FC= [This message has been edited by nealg (edited 02-09-2001).] IP: Logged
3dp Pilot	posted 02-09- 01:01 AM If we're talking about our choices for best sim, I can't resist getting in my plug for Digital Integration's 1993 release TORNADO. To my mind, the remarkably detailed mission planner and fully dynamic campaigns have never been matched. It's abandonware now so if anybody's interested, go to my site and click on the word TORNADO in the first paragraph and you'll get my pitch for it. I also have all the add-ons and the learning utility, Tornado Command and Staff College, if anyone's interested. WARNING: By nature, I enjoy mud moving to dogfighting. If you're looking for a dogfighter, go elsewhere. For strikes with the likes of JP233 Runway Denial Submunition Dispensers, TORNADO hasn't been beat yet! ------------------ Be seeing you, 3dp Visit RAF Harkness! IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 02-09- 06:14 AM Neal You need to tell me when you do major things in your life! We're friends..I'd want to know that you shucked your job and became a comedian!!!! Battle of Britain has barely come out, and your laying a crown onto of it's buggy head! Please. A sim that get's to wear the crown of BEST of the best had better have shown over time that it has the staying power to earn that title. Potential just means it hasn't done it yet. SDOE has, after almost two years, 90 additional planes, 3 or 4 additional terrains, countless ground and sea objects, not to mention the recent news which it will appear make it look as good as the NEW sims just coming out, and a hell of a lot better than BoB! SDOE has earned the title of KING! BoB...it can't even get into the castle yet! BTW, SDOE when it came out 2 years ago looked as good as BoB! And don't even throw up one of your favorite screen shot's showing the Yellow sky, in an attempt to prove otherwise! Not impressed!!!! Two years from now, if BoB has developed and added alot of cool stuff...let's have lunch and talk about a new king. That is if your not doing your stand-up then. PR=FC= [This message has been edited by Private Roger (edited 02-09-2001).] IP: Logged
Werner Molders Pilot	posted 02-09- 08:49 AM LOL Squakin' in the hen house. Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged
Helm Cadet	posted 02-09- 10:32 AM SDOE is a great and wonderfull game.But why? It is,because men(from A like Aladar until Z like Zur)did and do a great work with their Plane and Add on building.Without this,SDOE had never been this,what it is now. Thanks to you all. Sorry,if the English is too bad. IP: Logged
WWDubya Pilot	posted 02-09- 11:47 AM Hmmm!?! Someone say FD? MudEye1, Do you remember a couple of slightly marginal (inept?) pilots that flew under the handles of LeftyThumbs and/or DustyFeathers? Well them's be me! Man I loved FD/ND. At that time, I was trying to learn more advanced combat techniques, but the nature of ladder competition pretty much stifled the idea of combat flight training, so I never did learn that it was a GOOD idea to keep alt, and try to keep from making tight turns in a battle if you could get away with it. E-management was unheard of for me at that time! Since then, I've been flying RB2/3D, nearly exclusevly, and have been with the Wing Walkers for 2.5 years. For the first 6 weeks in the squad, all I did was train with some of THE BEST virtual pilots I've come across. I'm not saying that I am ace material now, but now I can at least survive a battle, if I work very hard at it! LOL I was nearly heartbroken when the plug was pulled on FD2... that guy was nearly completed, for crying out loud! Anyway, It's good to see some of my old opponents again, and to think back on times gone-by! (I wonder what the rest of the guys are up to now?) Fly Well, Dub ------------------ Fly Well, Dub Visit the Wing Walkers IP: Logged
Hawk General	posted 02-09- 12:24 PM I have played most of them and for many reasons have keep SDOE close at all times. FS98, 2000, and CFSI and II all have some much potential but are just not right. The planes do not fly right, just stall one out and watch a very strange manuever. They crash but show odd damage if any at all. Janes WWII is a beauty. At first the cool planes impress but if you freeze frame one and really look at it the modeling in SDOE is much finer. The planes fly ok but something makes me want to put another quater in. B-17II, ok glory missed. EAW, took it off my hardrive the instant I realized I was playing a sim from 1980. Whats with those odd looking planes with no moving surfaces anyway? Bob? Heard about it and don't want to go through any B17II style tweek fest again. My favorite besides SDOE, the original A10 Over Cuba. The planes flew so smooth with great graphics on my then low end machine I even emailed the designers with my delight. No flames please. These are the opinions of the bar keep and in no way represent the management. ------------------ Hawk Forum manager and bar keep http://rcwarbirds.com/ IP: Logged
Gustang Pilot	posted 02-09- 02:22 PM Helm, You hit it right on the head! IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 02-09- 02:47 PM Ive tried every one yall have mentioned above, and then some! My all time favorites are SDOE (duh) CFS2, SWOTL, WWII Fighters, AoE, AotP, and RBII (With glide patch) I do like B-172 much better now that the patch is out and fixed a few things, but its not all there yet. Maybe with another patch it will be. Ones I have played that I didnt see mentioned above is Battle Hawks, Wings of Glory, Wings of Destiny, Dawn Patrol, Flying Corps Gold, Su-27 Flanker, Air Warrior 1, 2, 3, Silent Thunder, Pro Pilot, Flight Unlimited 1 and 2 (Havent tried 3 yet. But they are fun!) ATF, USNF, and JetFighter 1, 2, 3, F117-A Stealth Fighter, and Knyghts of the Sky. There are a few others Ive played, but I cannot remember all of them. I have vast sim experience and we have come a loooooong way with technology, graphics and options. [This message has been edited by ArgonV (edited 02-09-2001).] IP: Logged
Sport Pilot	posted 02-09- 04:07 PM Yes Mudeye, I to have fond memorys of manning the rear gunner in the Dauntlass of PAW Gold. Jumping up front to dive bomb on a carrier, then back in the rear to fight your way back home. RB3D, EF2000 and Falcon 4 feel rank up there. The gray, foggy atmosphere of EF2000 gave the game a cool feel. But in the few months and limited online hours I've logged with SDOE,I cannot help feel that this is the best overall game available. To watch the ongoing development is quite fasinating, giving the size of the communtity. To find this much content on a 5.00 bargin rack is a real steal and a real shame. All I can offer is a word of thanks to who work to make it so. IP: Logged
Spectre_USA Pilot	posted 02-09- 05:39 PM I have to agree with 3dp, Tornado was the best for in the weeds screaming. I have a major tendency toward mud-moving when flying a pointy nose. A straight graphics update to that sim would be dynamite. EF2000 and F4 have also spent quite awhile on my Hard Drive. Prop-sims are usually a pleasant diversion for me, but this FS:SDOE is keeping my attention longer than most. I just got it a month ago, but forsee a long future... ------------------ -=Spectre=- Spectre@jorg.net IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 02-09- 09:40 PM If some of you haven't tried A-10 Cuba! yet, run out and buy it (if you can find it). I've seen it for $5.00 in stores in bargain bins. It's a GREAT game! Too bad they didn't do more missions and add-ons for it. IP: Logged
MudEye1 Pilot	posted 02-09- 10:51 PM As many of you know I am slow at getting patches and updates.I fly to Washington,Nebreska,Atlanta,Nashville,etc.Sdoe is the only game out of hundreds that stays on my hard drive.Every time I buy a new flight sim I compare it to SDOE.Used to compare to FD but my anticipation was shattered as the development crumbled.But Honestly.I'm a Battle of Britain fan.But if you read all the latest articles.The graphics engine is 2 years old based on mig ally.They admit it.Yet the game engine is certainly unique.However it cannot be compared or hold up to SDOE in graphics,game play,etc.The one thing that could be improved in SDOE is "Depth Perception" of incoming enemy planes.The red squares could be bigger or something.Your advice would help.I have latest patch 6.0 is Stuka Dive Bomber on that? Sorry for my ignorance.--Mud-- IP: Logged
3dp Pilot	posted 02-09- 11:58 PM Spectre_USA, I have suggested just that, a straight graphics upgrade to TORNADO, to the people at Digital Integration. TORNADO 2 is rumored if they ever get past F/A-18 Super Hornet. My biggest fear is that they might change it too much! About the only thing which might make it better would be to add Luftwaffe weapons such as the MBB1, and Sea Eagle anti-shipping type stuff. The folks at The Home of the Underdogs seem to agree with us. ------------------ Be seeing you, 3dp Visit RAF Harkness! IP: Logged
li'l bastard Pilot	posted 02-10- 07:36 AM Here's my thought guys: after years of impatient waiting, trying, flying, crashing with all the sims I've tried I've reached one conclusion... Every sim offers a special feature (otherwise they would be all the same thing): dynamic missions creators, outstanding graphics, great flight model and physics (only SDOE since now),dogfights w/ hundreds of planes (often thanks to the crappy graphic level) breath-taking actions, realistic weather conditions and so on... The question is what do each of us want from a flight simulator? These are to me the more significant sims I've tried: 1) Chuck Yeager's Combat: A milestone, it could enter in a floppy disk and was created when the 486 DX2 was consideed a NASA computer... alright, sensless graphic and FM, but how many hours I passed w/ it!!!! 2) F22 ADF and TAW by Jane's : probably the mother of all modern flight simulators thanks to the features included... 3) EAW: enjoyed the career mode with the chalkboard w/ my name and my scores, the big air battles, but the graphics! PLEASE!!! DO MICROPROSE THINK WE'RE ALL BLIND?!? 4) WWII by Jane's: great multimedia, sounds effects, graphics and cool ground objects moving and fighting features, maybe not many planes, probably due to the limitating teather of action... 5) F 15 by Jane's: same as F22 Now let's talk about SDOE I followed its development since when it was still called Dogfight (I saw a pair of shots in a magazine when my P133 was considered a Ferrari) and I think my waiting has been rewarned: great graphics, incredible flight model, three teathers of combat and the possibility to fly any plane ( I F***G HATE THE SIMS W/ PLANES THAT ARE FLYABLE ONLY BY THE COMPUTER!!!) in any position... But the best feature and probably the secret of its immortality is the concrete possibility to make home-made upgrades! I remember the time of the first new skins, then the PP5.3!!! Gosh, when I started to paint some skin and put them ingame I felt so proud (I guess what Razer and others plane builders feel then!)... If u compare the level of the original game w/ the results achieved nowadays there's no match, looks like they released it in this way just to let ppl upgrade it by themselves! BTW, the other sims look static after a while, and the next step after static is boring... we could potentially create a new world (just look at the just released driveable Citroen...) with planes, tanks, troops and so on... Unfortunately the brillant idea of releasing all these tools to upgrade the game hasn't been done by anyone else, maybe because the game codes are complicated (for what I understood SDOE code is relatively easy to access & modify), or maybe because thecreator don't want their game to be changed/upgraded/improved... Yesteray I've dloaded new video shots about IL2 Sturmovik and WOW WHAT WEATHER/GRAPHICS AND DAMAGE EFFECTS!!! But the game philosophy doesn't look so wide open like the SDOE one (well it's just my opinion, didn't still try it, u know if it's available in european shops?): non-flyable planes, one scenery (OK, it's called IL2 Sturmovik, so there's no Pacific of course )... Maybe that's the point: games w/ just one protagonist or scenery become boring after a while... SDOE has almost all the war sceneries and planes of WWII, and if it's not so, well damn they can always be done!!!! RESUME FOR WHO DON'T WANNA LOSE TIME ********************************************************************************************* SDOE IS IMMORTAL DUE TO ITS COMPLETE ACCESS BY THE USERS, W/ THE POSSIBILITY TO MODIFY, UPGRADE & IMPROVE IT. IT'S NO MORE AN ACTIVISION/PARSOFT GAME, IT'S OUR GAME, PROBABLY (TOGETHER W/ QUAKE) THE FIRST SON-OF-INTERNET GAME...UNTIL THE OTHER GAME COMPANIES WON'T UNDERSTAND THIS PHILOSOPHY THERE WON'T EVER BE NO MATCH. *********************************************************************************************** li'l "never long like this before" bastard ------------------ IP: Logged
MudEye1 Pilot	posted 02-10- 10:55 PM Good job Lil Bastard.Thats what I tried to say.The greateast of all time.What happened to the men who designed SDOE? Where are they? Haven't they realized the potential for a SDOE 2 .Are they still working for Activision?What does it take to convince them to do a follow up game?--Mud-- IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 02-11- 12:25 AM PR: Pretty pathetic. Purpose? If you think SDOE is the greatest of all time, just say so. There's no need to try to slight a profession of stand up comedy ( which, BTW, if I WERE to try, I'd likely be better at that than you are at piloting...) by implying if I weren't to agree with you, I'd be a 'stand-up comic'. Regarding 'bugs'; don't use that as a standard with me, unless you can tell me that SDOE has none ( after 3 years ). Invalid point. Not that bugs aren't irritating - how often have we all cussed SDOE on our 3rd to 5th CTD online after waiting 10 to 30 minutes for a game? I am one of the ( apparently ) few who believe that the most important part of any software release is that it be bug-free. But I get them anyway, and if I enjoy them ( key word is 'I', not 'you') I will attempt to work with and around them. I did it ( and still do ) with SDOE. Although offline, I never have had a problem. The number of user add-ons is also not an issue with me - but I believe in my post I made it abundantly clear that it was a personal preference on my part. As for screenshots; where have I ever said that a screenshot made one game better than another? In fact, I believe I have stated before, long ago, that I never make a purchase or any decision based on screenshots...and I would never try to influence anyone by using them. You're not impressed? I shan't lose any sleep over that, as I never try to impress anyone. What few I have posted were meant just to share enjoyment with others who might appreciate it, not to 'show' that one game is 'better' than another. You use your criteria to judge, and I will use mine. I won't attack you personally - you do as you choose. Each person here is right and correct because, for them, it is right and correct. And that is how it should be. No one is wrong. And I stick by what I said. ------------------ nealg=FC= [This message has been edited by nealg (edited 02-11-2001).] IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 02-11- 01:56 PM PR; Please accept my apologies for the remark about "...better at it than you are at piloting...". That was totally rude and uncalled for, and patently not true. It was the Mr Hyde taking over from my Dr Jekyll, and was a stupidly crass remark, one which I well deserve to be chastised for. Sorry, man. ------------------ nealg=FC= IP: Logged
Wiley Baggins Cadet	posted 02-11- 05:33 PM Just a quick question which is off-topic, but appropriate for this thread. Like MudEye1 and WWDubya, I was a great fan of FD and was extremely disappointed when FD2 went off the rails. I went to post a "has anyone hacked FD" message on the R/C Pilot website only to find the forum (admittedly quite moribund) gone. So, without further preamble, has anyone "hacked" FD or know of any efforts to do so? I know that things like AOP have had add-ons made, and if any vintage sim deserves additions it is FD. Thanks Bob IP: Logged
Spoonman Pilot	posted 02-11- 07:12 PM For me, Yeagers Air Combat and SDOE are on par. CYAC had all kinds of damage modelling, intelligent AI, fantastic replayability, and it was a hoot to fly all those different planes. In retrospect, CYAC was way ahead of it's time. Red Baron was close, with it's dynamic campaign engine, aircraft management etc, but it was just different. SDOE IMHO again is way ahead of it's time as a sim. The Openplane Source is just amazing. To be fair, Su-27 Flanker 1.5 was perhaps the first kick-ass mutliplayer online sim I really enjoyed along with SDOE. But to compare them is like apples and turnips There were lots of sims out there we have enjoyed - heck, I play Aces High a lot too. But with the # of games/sims coming out this year to be counted on one hand we can only enjoy what we have. Let me ask this, what sim are you all anticapating this year? Spoon IP: Logged
Condor Pilot	posted 02-11- 09:09 PM Hi Spoonman, That is simple! SDOE Plane Pack 6.1 and then the full Plane Pack 7.0. :) Maybe IL2 and Stormbirds after that. A new patch to fix sdoe's game engine is greatly anticipated as well. Keeping my fingers crossed. IP: Logged
MudEye1 Pilot	posted 02-11- 10:05 PM Nealg I do agree with you in the since of personal preference.For instance I love the flight musuem in Janes ww2.It has the feel of ww2. The music.To be able to see live combat footage of each plane and hear the aces of the war being professionally interviewed.Thats one of my favorites just for that reason.Not just for the flight play.--Joe-- IP: Logged
MudEye1 Pilot	posted 02-11- 10:08 PM I meant --MudEye-- Joe is my real mame. IP: Logged

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