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Topic: Dornier 17
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Sunray
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posted 01-25- 10:23 PM
   
Tailslide was absolutely right. I did a reinstall, a fairly painless one, and the Do17 beta 5 works just fine. Fortunately, all I had to do was reinstall the game, the patch, the plane pack and Nations. I didn't lose anything else. It all stayed in the game directory and works fine. I'm so glad I use a separate zip directory.
Oh, and the aircraft is extremely cool. Thanks, Tailslide.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-25- 11:08 PM
Glad it's finally working ! TS IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 01-27- 12:08 AM
Hi. The most amazing thing is I didn't have to reinstall everything. After doing the stuff I mentioned above, everything else was still there. Including the aircraft I had downloaded from here and there. Still have to copy some of the missions into my game directory, but not the entire thing.
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ArgonV
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posted 01-27- 12:11 AM
Tailslide, any chance of updating the nose so it looks more like a Do 17s? It just looks to Ju 88ish now.  A few things I noticed with the model: The prop spinners arent smoothed, the bomb bay setion doesnt fit right with the rest of the fuse in a few places, the aileron DOFs arent correct and she sits too low on the ground. Just some friendly suggestions. keep it up! P.S. Any chance of turning this Do 17 when done into a Do 217?  IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-27- 02:08 AM
I don't understand what you mean by the nose:Do17:
 Ju88:
 
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ArgonV
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posted 01-27- 10:54 AM
Tailslide, I'll scan you some pics to let you know what I mean. The nose for the Do 17 is more areodynamicly fitted and built than the nose for the Ju 88. The Ju 88 is a very blocky aircraft. The Do 17 has curves. Ok here be the 3-ways:
 [This message has been edited by ArgonV (edited 01-27-2001).] IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-27- 06:02 PM
I can't really tell from your three views what the piece consists of between the wing and the nose. Do you have a 3/4 view of the plane? TS IP: Logged |
ArgonV
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posted 01-27- 07:23 PM
Heres one pic I have. I'll see if I can find anymore in my books.  IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-27- 07:37 PM
Thanks that helps! TS
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3dp
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posted 01-28- 12:47 AM
I'll just jump in here with my humble observation on the Do17 nose. I think it's as simple as the glass area on the Do17 should just extend a bit further back along the fuselage, creating a marginally larger crew area than on the Ju88. Great plane, great work! Like ArgonV, I'm looking forward to a Do217.Funnily enough, Osprey publishing's 'German Night Fighter Aces of WW2', describes the first few Do17 night fighter conversions as "employing a Ju88 nose", although the book does not show a picture of one. Therefore, the current Do17 gives us a glimpse of what something very rare must have looked like, since the Do17 night fighters quickly switched to a "factory-designed nose", the first versions being described as 'rudimentary". ------------------
Be seeing you,
3dp
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Tailslide
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posted 01-29- 02:31 AM
The glass area looks the same as the ju-88 to me:  IP: Logged |
3dp
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posted 01-29- 11:50 AM
Whoops! My fault. I was speaking about the canopy (is that what you call it on a bomber?) where the pilot and upper gunners sit. I agree about the very front end, virtually identical in the Ju88 and Do17. Sorry for the confusion!What I'm referring to is clearer in the top-down views as opposed to the elevations in ArgonV's earlier post. The "canopy" area is not as long on the Ju88 and it comes to fairly flat end roughly where the wings start. The Do17 has a longer, more eliptical "canopy" (sorry, I can't think of a better word!) area. ------------------
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3dp
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Tailslide
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posted 01-29- 12:11 PM
Actually the bottom of the front part looks a little different too now that I take a close look at it. TS IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 01-31- 01:47 PM
You might want to change the Do17's type from 'fighterbomner to 'bomber. It looks kind of korney to see the Do17 yanking and banking against a swarm of Hurricanes and Spits... interesting, but korney  Also, having the wings rip off after a hard yank on a 270mph dive is kind of neat. I bent and then broke them.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-31- 06:12 PM
I think a two engine bomber flying in a straight line while being attacked looks kind of "korney".IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 01-31- 07:06 PM
Too bad, that is the way it was historically done by jerry until night bombing took over. It gets even better when the bombers skip an entire waypoint due to their romantic involvement with fighters.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 01-31- 09:26 PM
Whatever, all I've gotten is complaints about this thing. I'm removing it from my site I don't have very much time to work on these things lately. TS
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ArgonV
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posted 01-31- 09:48 PM
Tailslide, please dont take this all the wrong way... These are all just suggestions to help make the Do 17 a kikk arse plane. IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 01-31- 10:38 PM
Tail I don't think you should take it as complaints I really think it was only constuctive critasizm. I think some people could have been a little kinder though.
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3dp
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posted 01-31- 11:35 PM
No complainig here! Just trying to help out. Given my wife's past experience on BBs (see my regretablly very popular post "Mossie=Brick"), I think long and hard before even offering an opinion in this area. Perhaps I'm naive, but I only jumped into this one since I was picking up no "negative vibes". If anything I said was thought of as a complaint, I apologize most sincerely. Please keep the Do17 around!------------------
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3dp
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Werner Molders
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posted 02-01- 10:03 AM
Great, TS' pissed... smooth guys, smooth.  Could someone at least post the latest version at simfiles, please? Werner ------------------
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Jeeves
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posted 02-01- 10:44 AM
Tailslide....You need to do whatever makes you happy bro- remember-- it all boils down to the fact that this is a game, right? You have been around enough to know that if you are doing something for credit- you are destined to be let down by someone....you have to do these things because you and only you want to do them.
I have downloaded every files on this plane you have offered up and have not had one problem. Some have-- and it is good to see that you have helped them to get it to work. Hell-- your D0-17 is quite a prominent part of the mega-campaign I am currently working on. To deny some the benefit of using a new bomber in the game because of a few comments seems wrong...but you need to do what's in your heart, I guess. Peace, bro. ------------------
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Himdog
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posted 02-01- 01:19 PM
I've said once and I'll say it again the Do17 is great. I have never had one problem with it, that means all the beta versions. Great job TS. Now I could jump on some of you for putting out planes that really were not ready but I'm not because I know how hard and thankless job it must be. Look at some of these post, some of you guys are ...oh forget it! TS, do what makes you happy.------------------
7./JG3_Himdog out
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Whirlwind
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posted 02-07- 07:37 PM
I wasn't hacking at the plane, I was just pointing out that TS had the plane set up as fighterbomber. I do see his point over the general lack of corkscrew AI, but the germans relizd early that the do17 was no mossie.IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 02-08- 12:17 PM
I find trying to chase a Spit with a slow bomber armed with a single MG is great fun. I just glad I paid attention to Tailslide and did what he told me to do (For god's sakes don't tell anyone I did what I was told) and I get to play with it too. IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 02-08- 10:49 PM
I didn't say it wasn't fun, it is just unrealistic that an entire flight of bombers tries to intercept a flight of spits and hurricanes as opposed trying to corkscrew or evade gunfire. Twins should be able to do that, and when someone spits out a B20 or B26 (Intruder) then it should be made a fighterbomber, or more percise, a bomberfighter as it should bomb it's target as best as possible first.IP: Logged |
Sunray
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posted 02-08- 10:58 PM
True. However, I saw a TV show one time(on the History channel and others) about the B-26. It said that there was an instance of a B-26 pilot, the pilot not the gunners, shooting down a fighter. I don't remember what it was but doesn't it make you say, "Hmmmmm"?IP: Logged |
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