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wakeup tailgunner
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posted 01-12- 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wakeup tailgunner   Click Here to Email wakeup tailgunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if I had remembered to upload the screenshots to my website, I could show you!

As Nat had already confirmed, the new wing structure we bounced around works. You can shoot big lumps away, and the AI doesn't bail out!

The details are simple, and dead easy to apply to any plane!

In short, I did the following:

create a set of spars, inside the wing. They have damage properties, and hold the dof springs. They effectively replace the wings, but have no flight properties. Switchin is set to 1, so you never see them. Attached to each spar, is the wing proper. This has no dof spring, but has more damage properties and all the aing properties.

In effect, you can now shoot out sections of the wing, and as long as the spar stays intact, the wing 'exists' and the AI pilot stays aboard. I am now building a set of 'holed' wings to unhide as damage occurs. I will only use the old damage lods for detached parts. There is a chance, however, that when the wing takes damage, the spar will be broken.....then your wing sections fall off. It's simply a question of balancing the values now.

Next job in hand is attaching the P47 damage model to the engines. This DM structure is really sweet, ( big round of applause to it's creator) and dovetails in really nicely with the seperate fuel tanks, oil tanks and oil coolers.

At present, the plan is as follows:

Hit nacelles - oil tank damage, fuel line damage
Inner nacelles only - brake / tyre damage
Hit engines - cylinder damage , cowling damage
Hit fuel tanks - fuel loss, possible fires
Hit oil coolers - black smoke, engine loss

Plans to further enhance the physical models have been halted at the engine / nacelle point. FR's need to be carefully watched. I want to add waist gunners if there is the resources to allow it.

p.s. That Jug DM is one that even Condor left alone. It was good enough as it stood!

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ArgonV
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posted 01-12- 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great! This means the AI will like the Sopwith Camel too!

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wakeup tailgunner
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posted 01-12- 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wakeup tailgunner   Click Here to Email wakeup tailgunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just finished some lovely swiss-cheese wings for the B17, and the Camel is next!

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Biggles3
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posted 01-12- 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Biggles3   Click Here to Email Biggles3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could this work?
if you hit the cylinder/cowling enough times to cause a load of damage could you have the cowling fall off?

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Tailslide
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posted 01-12- 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I can completely empty all the rounds from the p47 into another p47 online and it won't go down.. haven't tried offline though.

TS

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spin
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posted 01-12- 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tail,

I've been able to shoot down the p47 with a p47 with left over ammo (online).

It takes a bit but can be done.

[This message has been edited by spin (edited 01-12-2001).]

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Tailslide
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posted 01-12- 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I've done it but there's also been times when I haven't done it if you know what I mean..

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nealg
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posted 01-13- 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm...the only time I have been able to shoot down a 47 was when I was in it. Come to think of it, the only planes I ever shoot down are the ones I am flying.

I know...it is MY DM that is screwed up!

Nurse!!! Help!!

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Da Jug head
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posted 01-13- 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tail- ever wonder why Jug pilots LOVED their machines. Your problem is the reason why- That flying behemoth would get-em home.

Ever read the story about, Robert Johnson, author of Thunderbolt?

See the "P-47 Superplane?" post for an excerpt.

[This message has been edited by Da Jug head (edited 01-13-2001).]

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Da Jug head
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posted 01-13- 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neal-

Did you know about the Flying Tiger that had five AMERICAN flags painted on his P-40 ? (Tis a true story)

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Tailslide
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posted 01-13- 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Da Jug.. see my reply

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Tailslide
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posted 01-13- 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Was that the p40 pilot that had only flown twin engine sea planes before signing up? I remember reading a letter from the CO to stateside about it pretty amazing cracking up all those planes and surviving.

TS

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nealg
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posted 01-13- 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I had never heard about that. Pretty neat....was it the pilot's sense of humor, or sarcasm? Sounds like I could have identified with him easily, LOL!

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Da Jug head
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posted 01-13- 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Da Jug head   Click Here to Email Da Jug head     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can't remeber all the details Tail, If I remember right this was his record-

He ground looped a couple, crashed a couple on landing and while landing ran into a parked P-40 waiting at the end of the runway in case of another scramble. They were able to make one good plane out of the 2 he wrecked, so it only counted as one plane destroyed.

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"Where'd he GO!?!?"
thunk-thunk-thunk-zing-OUCH
That answered my question

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