posted 01-09- 03:51 PM               

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I searched a little bit at the internet, looking for some information about the battle of britain. And what have i found?! every webside shows me different statistics about the german and britain casualties. The number of german aircraft, wich was shoot down differs between 600 and 2600. It depends on how "side" i was watching. Hmm,did whe have Propaganda untill today???
So, where is the truth???

Rendsburger

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posted 01-09- 04:06 PM               

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On both sides pilots claimed more kills than actually happened, it was not propaganda , it was the confusion of battle along with copious amounts of Adrenalin. The accounts of the BOB that I have use the german unit records for german casulties and the british unit records for the british casulties. I will post the figures and the source tomorrow night.

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posted 01-09- 06:50 PM               

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Commando, that´s great!

Rendsburger

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posted 01-10- 12:44 AM               

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Good history books go by loss figures.. they're pretty close since each airforce knew exactly how many planes they lost even if the information wasnt released to the public at the time.

TS

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posted 01-10- 01:27 AM               

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servus rendsburger,
ich poste meine gedanken auf deutsch, weils die anderen eh nicht interessiert.
die zahlen , vom einsatz und verlust auf beiden seiten sind sehr stark von der damaligen propaganda geprägt worden. bloss im gegensatzt zur deutschen seite, die ja bekanntlich den krieg verlor,kam die wahrheit heraus ............ genauere zahlen von historikern ermittelt, so ungefähr auf jeden fall.
demnach verloren die briten ca. 900 flugzeuge und die deutschen ca 1850 .
die unterschiede in der verlustangabe in mehreren quellen resultiert auch davon, dass die britischen angaben immer noch von offizieller seite mit der verlustanzahl des während des krieges verbreiteten zahlen angegeben wird. würden sich ja sonst selber lüge strafen.
ausserdem , nach einem buch von toliver/constabler, rechnen die engländer nur vollkommen zerstörte flugzeuge auf ihrer seite, nicht jedoch auf der gegeseite.
ich glaube , die zahlen oben sollten so ungefähr stimmen. auf jedenfall war es ein aderlass für beide seiten.
im buch"Angriffshöhe4000" werden auch die illusionen der 1000 bomber angriffe angezweifelt.

aber es ist halt so , jeder nimmt das zur wahrheit, dass ihm am besten passt, so ist nunmal der mensch , ob da oder da.
grüsse boandlgramer

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posted 01-10- 08:26 AM               

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It has been said that the Germans claimed as much as three times as many aircraft shot down than the real figures pointed out. You know, when they initiated the campaign, they were completely certain that the RAF only had about 50 fighters left, when there were actually 600!

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posted 01-10- 11:18 AM               

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Semmern,
Hmm,Blasius told me the same story, one posting above, but from the other (british) side. Do you see the problem?! Everyside says whe count right and you count wrong and that over 50 years ago. So whe have to wait for Commando, maybe he has the "orignial" units recording.

Rendsburger

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posted 01-10- 12:05 PM               

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semmern semmern semmern, u told always the same.the german lie.

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posted 01-10- 02:38 PM               

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Ok The Truth.

Well maybe

1. Luftwaffe by Arthur Price , pub 1970
Forward by Adolf Galland

Losses Luftwaffe 1733 planes RAF 915

Period 10th Jul to 31st Oct

2.Fighter by Len Leighton , pub 1977

Losses Luftwaffe 1408 planes RAF 934

Period 10th Jul to 30th Sept

Len Leighton points out that the total RAF losses in this period are recorded as 1960 but 934 are due to BOB, rest are losses in bombing raids on Germany

3. Battle of Britain Basil Collier pub 1962

Losses Luftwaffe 1462 RAF 655

Period July 10th to Sept 31st

In other words we dont know exactly but more Luftwaffe loses than RAF, and remember each Luftwaffe loss was a pilot plus poss crew, dead or POW, RAF was pilot dead or injured but may recover, or just 24 hrs away from return to duty.

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posted 01-11- 01:24 AM               

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hello all.
my opinion , the german , with the stupid leadership from hermann göring ,was not able to win the battle over britain. they have not a big bomber , like a b17 or a lanc, and the german fighters can`t flight long time enough to protect the bombers on the way .
blasius

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