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Private Roger Pilot	posted 11-21- 09:14 AM Hey my fellow SDOE zealots! This is a post I made on December 6th, 1999.... Hi all, it's been awhile for me between posts, and play, but I'm still around and kicking and I had an idea I wanted to share with you all. I would like to see what you guys think of this... A CONTEST for the Best New Plane made in SDOE! This would be any new plane developed from now until Feb 1st 2000. Planes still in development would be included. That's a deadline I thought might be achievable by the guys that do the great work we have seen lately. The prize....well, not a million dollars (Regis Philbin I ain't), but how about $100.00! Thats would buy a decent dinner out, and maybe a drink or two anyway. My thoughts are that we could send word to all the onsite combat sim sites. i.e. CombatSim, SimHQ, DogFighter, etc. about this contest. They print the story, and... it just might spark more pub for SDOE, showcase the wonderful things many of you guys do, and get some new talent to this community. Look, I have no talent in this area. I wish I did. I have taken alot from this community and never had a chance to give back. This could be my way, however meager to give a little something back. I figure the guys (and girls) from the site could vote on the results. Everyone would be a winner. No losers! How often does that happen. Well, I can't wait to hear what you think. Any input would be appreciated. PR Been almost a year! Can you believe it. What great planes we got from that contest! Look at all the new builder and painters started because of it. So, I've been thinking (yes, yes, I know thats dangerous), what about another contest!? This time though, for Best New Terrain? The more I fly, the more I wish I had NEW places to fly. With the groundbreaking work by Nat, and several others the Terrain genie has been let out of the bottle. Perhaps this is a perfect time to kick the genie in the butt and see what he can do! As usual, I await everyones input. PR=FC= Oh, I'm still not rich, but I could put up a couple of hundred to start out the pot. Although, as with the last contest, money would only act as the icing on the cake. IP: Logged
Gecko Pilot	posted 11-21- 09:17 AM Yes, yes, YES! What an awesome idea, PR! And in this one, I will even be able to participate (I didn't know anything about OpenPlane a year ago). You are right, money is just the icing. All of you, think about all the fame and chicks this includes (no, not the FCs!)! -Gecko =FC= IP: Logged
goth Pilot	posted 11-21- 09:43 AM Eggcelent idea PR! I think it it would be a great shot in the arm. We could some great theaters out of this. Italy, Russia, The Mediteranian, The North Atlantic.... Could be very good for us all. IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 11-21- 10:30 AM Finally, all those terrains we want may come to fruition. Three cheers for PR! Norwegian coast, with fjords with tall mountains around them!!! Eastern Front. (Gotta beat Il-2 ) And much more! IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 11-21- 10:31 AM Well terrains can be a HUGE download, so 2 ideas here: 1. Each person pays a small fee for all the contest terrains on a CD that will be mastered. The CD could also include the latest plane packs, etc. I think this would be easy and affordable. 2. Instead of terrain the contest can be for best ground target. This includes: towns, factories, vehicles, ships, etc. Or better yet PR, why not a contest for the best SDOE patch? ------------------ -Sv =FC= WWI in SDOE! IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 11-21- 10:51 AM Sv Good idea! You can have a ground target contest that runs concurent with the.... Best New Terrain Contest! PR=FC= [This message has been edited by Private Roger (edited 11-21-2000).] IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 11-21- 11:10 AM Spanky here.. Now that would kick some major ass. not alot of people that can do it though. I hope there is some sharing of ideas and possibly some new tools that come out of this. Maybe with a contest like this Bryan can add some terrain specific stuff to OPS. IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 11-21- 11:23 AM Sp@nky yeah, I realize that terrain work has not been done by alot of people todate, one more reason for the contest! Give people an incentive to give it a go! I know of a couple right now who intend on giving it a shot. Think of the great things that could be born from this contest!!! Sv's idea of a CD rom to contain all the terrains made has merit too. I would say that that couold be done at a very nominal cost. I can't wait to hear about all the different terrains that might be developed. Who knows, maybe when they are all done, we will have every significant terrain seen in the War. PR=FC= [This message has been edited by Private Roger (edited 11-21-2000).] IP: Logged
jedi Pilot	posted 11-21- 04:34 PM Sounds like fun (but think of the download size!) I think it would be a smaller contest tho, as not as many guys really understand how to do the terrains. It would also be more of a team thing IMO. I wonder, maybe we could focus on a "Best Scenario Pack" idea, where you put out a whole "package," i.e. it would contain at least ONE "new" airplane, ONE "new" ground/sea object, a terrain set (with or without "real" airfields, but obviously having them would be more impressive) and a campaign or mission set of at least, say, TEN missions. That might get more folks involved, from plane builders to "skinners" to terrain gurus to mission experts, since probably almost everyone here can do a skin, or a ground model, or a ship, or help out on a new plane or terrain or build a mission set... I'd suggest at LEAST a 3-month contest length, too ------------------ --jedi-- IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 11-21- 04:53 PM Jedi You said... quote: Sounds like fun (but think of the download size!) Yeah, that is where Sv's idea of the CD would come into play. quote: I think it would be a smaller contest tho, as not as many guys really understand how to do the terrains. It would also be more of a team thing IMO. Well, your right, the Open Plane Contest produced alot of planes, and we would not hope to match that many new terrains, but even if we only got 3 or 4, and each terrain team had 3 to 5 guys, that almost doubles the amount of terrains we currently have, and gets a lot more guys involved with learning, and making terrains. quote: I wonder, maybe we could focus on a "Best Scenario Pack" idea, where you put out a whole "package," i.e. it would contain at least ONE "new" airplane, ONE "new" ground/sea object, a terrain set (with or without "real" airfields, but obviously having them would be more impressive) and a campaign or mission set of at least, say, TEN missions. Wow, that's ambitious! I'm not sure if logistically that would be feasible. You would have to co-ordinate alot of people, and that may prove to be very difficult, but it would be neat! quote: I'd suggest at LEAST a 3-month contest length, too I agree completely here. I was thinking having it finish up by the 1st of March. Great ideas, and suggestions! keep them coming. PR=FC= IP: Logged
DanW Pilot	posted 11-21- 07:20 PM How about another plane contest.... 1 category, open field, any type of plane. Only one plane per team/individual entry. Must be a new build as of a specified contest start date. IP: Logged
Razer Pilot	posted 11-21- 07:30 PM I'm with Dan, this time we have more people to work on the planes. I can even join in this time. I have a plane right now that i can do for the contest. I haven't even started it but i've wanted to do it for some time. ------------------ Tony "Razer" Martin "Making SDOE a dangerous Place, One plane at a time!" FS Hangar [This message has been edited by Razer (edited 11-21-2000).] IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 11-21- 07:34 PM Another plane contest would be great, but not at the exclusion or expense of the Best new Terrain contest. We can build planes until the cows come home (will those cows ever come home/ ), and alot of guys are now experienced plane builders, some thanks to the motivation or inspiration of the last Plane Contest, but (in my mind) the need for more terrains, with more variety is a real need for this sim, and I think the benifits would be widely felt. PR=FC= IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 11-21- 08:13 PM No takers on my "best new patch" contest? IP: Logged
Aladar Pilot	posted 11-21- 08:15 PM Wow! This is great news! Although, What about doing it like a Terrain Contest and a Ground Unit Contest. Although I'd love another chance to enter in the plane contest. What about a SKIN contest! Sounds cool! IP: Logged
Diego Lozano Pilot	posted 11-21- 09:34 PM You guys have no idea what evil you're getting yourselves into. Now that you all have been forewarned, how about first we get a tutorial posted, a tool that slices up a 3D model into 400 squares(besides by hand)and a way to more easily create airfields that the AI can recognize...if TailGunner gets killed, that info dies with him. I'm all for this contest but, first I think we need to gather all the info and tools. Once all that has been gathered, I see no reason why we cant proceed. I'd hate to see an awesome terrain texture get put on a shelf because of a lack of tools. I really hope I'm not the "wet blanket" here. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 11-21- 09:44 PM there is one small problem with a terrain contest.. not to belittle anyone, but realistically there's only myself, Diego and TG that have a good idea about terrainsm we each know a part, but I don't think any of use know the whole. The awward part is, if we did have a terrain contest it's very likely that we'll team up, as is only fair in a conest, and I'd put all the work in that I'm not willing to do now and build something completely new, but on the other hand, although we'd be trying to win, we'd have to give alot of advice out on how do to things, helping the people we're competeing against lol Now, I'm in no way against it, cause as I've always said to Diego, the more people that take up building terrains the better, it's what will ultimately keep this sim going. I guess in essence what I'm saying is that I think before we can have a contest we honestly need to see more terrain work done by others. Tell you what, I'll post a new thread about this subject, hope you don't mind, asking for names of people that would/could build a new terrain and see what response we get, cause lets face it, the more terrain the better, and any form of contest could bring them into being ~Nat~ sorry if this post sounds muddled, haven't got my thinking head on right now... lol IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 11-22- 12:44 AM What if the contest only required a terrain sample? Like a prototype. Instead of 40 X 40 maybe 5 X 5 or even smaller? That way it wouldn't take so long to create and maybe more people would be willing to enter the contest if they knew it wasn't going to consume their lives for so long. The winning entry could then be expanded by a "Terrain Team" into a full 40 X 40 area. The other entries could be expanded too, later. IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 11-22- 04:03 PM Spanky here.. Oh now thats an idea there jerry. I'm liking that. Maybe A small piece of terrain. And it must have an airport or 2 and a couple built in attackable ground objects. That would kick. IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 11-22- 04:29 PM I think Nat is correct. The aircraft contest was different, there was all ready a list of ale people and aircraft in production. I think it is a bit early to consider a terrain contest. Nat has hinted at the key problem, lack of terrain tools. It is not feasable for a new terrain to be created without some key tools. The tools needed are: 1. A model dicer that dices a large terrain mesh and also dices and names the supertexture correctly. 2. Enhancements to OPS so that you can navigate the large mesh and place objects in a more intrinsic way. With these tools you will find that aerodrome creation is easy, you simple pick the tiles that you want to lay the aerodrome over and then re-texture them. I think aerodroms replace the terrain tiles when they are set as active in missions. Without these tools you can still have lots of terrain fun, but you are going no where fast. Inertia used a tool that dices Multigen Creator files. I still would like to see a ground target contest... we have all the tools needed to make create towns, factories, train yards, ships, bridges, etc. If many people made ground structures we could make a large town! With OPS for free and $40 for AC3D, anyone could get into the ground structure business - even a feather head like PR We could make a VERY user frinedly tutorial for complete OpenPlane newbies, step by step how to make a ground structure - no details missing! Then we can pressure everyone to at least make a house or something - it is so rewarding to create something and then see it in the game! Let's bring new people into OpenPlane, I know there are many out there who want in, but it is SO hard to start. If we get them in with a ground structure, maybe they will go on to make the terrains and aircraft of the SDOE future! IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 11-22- 08:09 PM Spanky here.. Sounds great SV. I'm thinking a larger bridge would rock. BTW if someone does any tuts can you PLEASE do a section that talks about using max too instead of just Ac3d? Theres some of here that use it but still have problems. most of mine are from trying to get stuff from max to OPS fully instact with smoothing and textures. oh yeah and the correct size. IP: Logged
Werner Molders Pilot	posted 11-23- 12:50 AM SV - that would be a big help, I'm getting more and more compelled to do a rework of Calais side towns. Having visited the area my immersion factor pops like a balloon when I return home after harrassing the Chickens. Werner ------------------ Visit Abbeville Field Today! IP: Logged

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