posted 10-26- 03:25 AM               

What have you changed for this plane?

If you haven't changed the model, let me know, since as a little fill in when I was bored, I have been making some new 'Vulture' engine nacelles, along with a new mid-upper turret. These were the main physical differences.

posted 10-26- 06:15 AM               

This plane (yes I think exactly this one) has
been posted already on my page!
So I've to agree with w.tailgunner, if it's
a 'new' one, what's new about it?
The plane on my site wasn't created by me,
it was in fact something wirlwind did.
Plus it was released with the planepack
(it was just a mistake).
The only thing I did was to create it as a
separate plane (with missions etc).
...check the readme of the zip file

and check here... http://www.stas.net/a872148/airplanes_sdoe.html

so waz up??

gt

posted 10-26- 06:51 AM               

Didn't download it, coz I've already got one.....though it is a pretty skin!

Mine currently has the correct engine nacelles......well, on the no.1 LOD anyway, along with a copy of some of Condors damage code......

posted 10-26- 12:40 PM               

Hello: he/she didn't know the existence of a Manchester in SDOE. I made it starting from the Lancaster, therefore they should have differences in the power of the motors, and in the superior turret that I also modified; also, of course of the skins.
I believe that both versions of the Manchester can cohabit in SDOE, as well as in the reality there was great quantity of versions of this airplane originated mainly in the difficulties that presented the motors, which gave origin to the Lancaster. They also suffered modifications in the superior turret, from a first model that didn't take it incorporate.

posted 10-26- 05:11 PM               

but...

Do we need multiple Manchesters "cohabiting" in sdoe? Especially if their FMs, DMs and 3d Model are incomplete? Imo one is plenty, since the plane's relevance in the context of the war is minor compared to other multi-engined british heavy bombers like the Halifax or the Wellington - Two planes which somehow seemed to have escaped (in large part) the attention of plane builders and sdoe bomber enthusiasts.

Werner

posted 10-26- 05:42 PM               

It is now getting DM as per Condors little formula, which will need a little testing, but I should have something up to release status by tomorrow.

I agree about the Halifax, and would add to the list a Stirling. I know someone started one, but it never got finished. Whirlwind is working on a Wellington, and apart from a snag with the landing gear, it was going well!

And yes, without the model updates, it was just a lanc with 2 engines missing!

posted 10-27- 04:10 AM               

gt

posted 10-27- 12:31 PM               

For the record, it has the wingspan reduced to correct size, with a corresponding reduction in wing area for the central span (this was where the extra was added for for the Lanc) revised weight, revised engine power and new models for the engines and mid-upper turret.

The Mk1 had the central fin with smaller outer fins and rudders, and I can convert it to that spec if required. The bulk of the 202 built were 1a models without the central fin.

One thing I couldn't model though....25% of losses were due to mechanical failure! 40% to enemy action.

posted 10-27- 09:44 PM               

Curious...

WM

posted 10-28- 12:32 AM               

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-=Make sims, not hype=-

posted 10-28- 03:53 AM               

First issued to 207 squadron in February 1941, and flew their first operational sortie on 24th Feb 1941 against Brest. Final operation was against Bremen 26th June 1942.

Final tally was 1269 sorties, with 1826 tons of HE dropeed + incendiaries. 202 aircraft were built, of which 25% were lost to mechanical failure, and 40% to enemy action.

The 10 squadrons flying them (9 RAF, 1 Coastal Command )were..er...pleased!!! when the were converted to Lancaster during 1942!

One VC was earned by Manchester crew, Flt Off L.T.Manser from 50 squadron for actions on 30th May 1942.

posted 10-30- 04:36 AM               

the last manc that you sent me was OK!
So please release it!!!!
I'm at the office now, so I've no access
to my web-site (I will post it later).

So we finaly have a real Manchester!!!!

thx once again for your great work!!!!

gt

posted 10-30- 06:42 AM               

It will wait until tonight!

Post it on your site with my blessings! Your site is way better than mine, and since you did a lot of the work to get it going anyway, it's as much yours as mine!

I might try to put some new DM stuff back into it, along with a little bit of cleaning up on the gear doors I noticed the other night. Apart from that, she looks a lot better with engines the right shape!

posted 10-30- 08:17 AM               

I'll have a quick go at it when I get home, and If I can replace the gear doors without mucking up the DOF, I'll pack up a new zip and mail it to you. I may tweak the flaps as well, so they fit the back of the new engines better. Again, if it looks like a major work, I say post what we have. It isn't a major ugly, and in any case, a re-vamp of the DM will still need to be done at some point. The Lanc/Manchester goes down inpieces way too easily.

posted 10-30- 01:19 PM               

wet my pant's???
hey if you realy bring a br.20 (well let's
say at least flyable), I will wet more than
just my pants, thats for shure!
....ohh but where only kidding didn't you?
....you're not that smart to create one that
could be even flyable don't you..ahhem just
kidding you know

gt

posted 10-30- 07:38 PM               

Gracias por opinar que mis aviones son bonitos “exuberantes”; me alegro que los estés disfrutando. Estoy terminando otro 190 que te encantará.

Gus

li'l

Thank you to say that my airplanes are beautiful "exuberant"; I am happy that you are enjoying them. I am finishing other 190 that you will love.

Gus

posted 10-30- 11:17 PM               

Werner

posted 10-31- 11:27 AM               

Si, el Manchester ha resultado un poco excedido en potencia; esto sucedió debido a la dificultad de hacerlo despegar con bombas pesadas. Próximamente lo corregiré, siempre y cuando no lo considere obsoleto frente a la nueva versión que nos promete GT, en cuyo caso lo retiraré dejando solamente a disposición el skins.
Los 190 están basados en la diversidad de versiones que hubo de este avión, ( hubo gran cantidad de modelos con diferentes armamentos y mejoras de potencia realizadas fuera de la línea de montaje ). Los modelos de 190 anteriores a los míos son excelentes, y no varían tanto en prestaciones, ( crea una misión de uno de mis modelos luchando contra el A3, y veras que son muy parejos ). El modelo que estoy por lanzar, no está en ningún libro; me basé para él en relatos hechos por gente del equipo de Tank que trabajó aquí en la Argentina despues de la guerra en el desarrollo de un avión a reacción. Ellos hablaron de modelos de 190 con interesantes modificaciones realizadas en el frente italiano en 1944. Encontré esto muy interesante como para no realizarlo, a pesar de no existir libros al respecto.

li'l

If, the Manchester has been a little exceeded in power; this happened due to the difficulty of making it take off with heavy bombs. Soon I will correct it, provided it doesn't consider it obsolete in front of the new version that GT promises us, in which case I will move away it only leaving to disposition the skins.
The 190 are based on the diversity of versions that there was of this airplane, (there was great quantity of models with different armaments and improvements of power carried out outside of the assembly line). The models of 190 previous to mine are excellent, and they don't vary so much in benefits, (believe a mission of one of my models fighting against the A3, and truth that you/they are very even). The pattern that I am to rush, is not in any book; I based myself for him on stories made by people of the team of Tank that worked here in the Argentina after the war in the development from an airplane to reaction. They spoke of models of 190 with interesting modifications carried out in the Italian front in 1944. I found this very interesting as for not carrying out it, in spite of not existing books in this respect.

posted 10-31- 11:29 AM               

He comprendido que consideras bueno que haga los post en ingles y en español, pero el resto de tu mensaje no me quedó claro al traducirlo; ¿podrías ser más específico? Gracias.

Werner

Have I understood that you consider good that makes those post in English and
in Spanish, but didn't I have left the rest of your message clear when
translating it; ¿could you be more specific? Thank you.

posted 10-31- 08:50 PM               

Gustavo, yo pienso que es buen que tu hablas/escribes aqui en espanol porque hay personas aqui que pueden hablar un poco de espanol, y cuando tu escribes en espanol nosotros debemos practicar mas.

My apologies for the atrocious grammar...

Werner

posted 11-01- 10:07 AM               

...thanks to wakeup!!!