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Zurawski
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posted 10-25- 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, boys and girls...

I denoted over 180 downloads of the PZL and I think it's time for the community to "pony up"

I have a few dedicated beta-testers that provide me excellent feed back however it's always good to hear it feed back from the source community!

PLEASE denote any and all comments good or bad regarding the beta1 build. I need to use this feed back to determine what and where the next round if focused attention needs to go. Things in specific I'm looking for:

1.) Model critique...

2.) Frame-Rate feedback...

3.) FM feedback...

4.) DM feedback...

5.) Texture/scheme feedback...

6.) Online performance...

and obviously anything in particular that you as the community would like to see improved upon or added...

Thank-you for your support and feel no need to hold back on the critique ... It won't get better if your not brutal!

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Razer
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posted 10-25- 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Razer   Click Here to Email Razer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has an airfield for a shadow.. Oh wait. I fixed that.. haven't had time to fly it..

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ArgonV
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posted 10-25- 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Model looks good. The cockpit could use some more detail IMO. (Cockpit glass would look nice too) I also would like to see a 3d tail since my computer (And most peoples computers on this fourm) can handle that. A spinning prop hub would be neat too. Were there any wires visible on this plane? If so that might look cool. If not no worries. The shadow for me is the SE5a shadow so that needs to be fixed. The gun fire for the two fuse mounted guns seems to go into the fuse. Ground handling is excellent. The roll rate feels a bit fast for an underpowered machine. The prop spin up and spin down time needs to be increased. Were there brakes for this plane? I believe since it is a "modern" type of WWII aircraft it had brakes so they need to be added. I nice looking Polish pilot would do it justice too! Maybe with a moveable hand so we can drop little grenades out of her? I LOVE the paint scheme. Oooo, how bout some engine start smoke for a finishing touch eh?

How bout putting this plane under the Soviet Union for the time being as it is a Eastern European country.

If I think of anything else, Ill be sure to post it.

Cheers!

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graymon
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posted 10-25- 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for graymon   Click Here to Email graymon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awsome,just finish the cockpit.

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ArgonV
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posted 10-25- 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, noticed some more things. The LOD switching could use some improvement to increase frame rates. I noticed the wings to not change from one LOD to the next and the wheels only have one visible LOD. The engine crowl could have a more intricate LOD switching system as well. Also, I would suggest you switch the cockpit panel out sooner. This all should help improve frame rates.

P.S. When are you going to add the lower detail LODs to the F-86?

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Zurawski
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posted 10-25- 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL!

Thanks ArgonV ... I knew I could count on you! Good observations and they are well noted...

RE: Sabre...

Truth be told... After an exchange regarding the validity of jet FMs here on the forum, I have to admit I've been turned off from working on it. (That and the PZL has stolen my heart!)... It's up for grabs if anyone would like to take it to the "next step" ... as It's "back-burnered" until the PZL (P24?).. is completed.

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ArgonV
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posted 10-25- 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zur,

Hehehe, I didnt mean to sound picky. Just you wanted feedback and well... Im a perfectionist at heart. Its a great plane and I cant wait for the next release.

RE: The Sabre... DOH! Hope that project is finished soon after the PZL. Its a great jet (Damned fun to fly! ) and it would be a shame not to finish it. Cause then it would just add to "the list of unfinished projects" and I hate it when that happens when a project is soo close to being done.

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Aladar
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posted 10-25- 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aladar   Click Here to Email Aladar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1. Beautiful!
2. Very smooth, 20fps or so
3. Pretty Good! What i'd expect from a fighter that size
4. Love the Damage texture
5. Could use some work, hmm.. a break maybe? Im gonna whip up!
6. Don't play online

Its just plane fun!! He he he

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Poniat
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posted 10-25- 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ArgonV

Please don't be fooled by the highwingness of the type and the myths about the total and utter destruction of the Polish airforce in 1939. It was outnumbered 5:1. Even with Spitfires they would have lost.

The P.11 itself was probably the most modern fighter plane in the world in 1931 when the prototype was built and flown. It proved faster then any fighter plane in the world during an aviation competition in Zurich in 1932. There were little over a hundred pretty well worn out machines available in September 1939, with help of which PAF shot down no less than 106 enemy machines. Remember, some of them were Bf109Es! There is one fight documented of a P.11c v. three Bf109s. The pilot of the P.11 lived to tell the tale and fight in the West.

There were no wires on that machine, it was of very innovative (at the time) monocoque construction with the 'Pulawski's' gull wing. The construction was very sturdy. It had all the mass concentrated near the centre hence outstanding manouverability.

The guns fired "through" the engine under the Townend ring.

There were bomb ejectors on the wings, no hand throwing An note though, the last action of Polish Airforce against both German and Soviet ground forces which took place in October 1939 involved throwing handgrenades out of a sports plane ("normally"used for recce duties).

Please note, that Poland was invaded by Soviet Union in 1939, the nation suffered immensely from that country during that war and the Soviet occupation that followed.
Calling Poland an East European country is not unlike calling Georgia a Union state


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Zurawski
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posted 10-25- 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...Poniat,

"Please note, that Poland was invaded by Soviet Union in 1939, the nation suffered immensely from that country during that war and the Soviet occupation that follow.
Calling Poland an East European country is not unlike calling Georgia a Union state"

...Which is why I put it under British. That and since the great majority of PAF pilots eventually ended up flying for the RAF, it seemed applicable.

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Poniat
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posted 10-25- 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zur,
Read your mail, please

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Poniat
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posted 10-25- 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, PAF set the precedence in the British history. Poland was a first country to have its armed forces stationed on the British soil.

The PAF in Britain although worked with conjuction with the RAF (and sometimes not if one is te beleive some stories ) it was dependent of the Polish government, obeyed Polish regualtions not King's Regulations, had some insignia presereved and used throughout, had it's own ground personel and ground installations (rented from HM). All the equipment, ammo, bombs, fuel used was billed and paid for by the Polish Government from the gold reserves deposited in Canada (some of which were flown out of Poland in LOT's Electras).

Yanks invaded some time later

Cheers

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ArgonV
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posted 10-25- 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Germany invaded Poland in 1939?

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Jerry
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posted 10-25- 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ArgonV,

Germany and Russia both invaded Poland in 1939. Dividing up Poland was part of the German-Soviet Non-Agression Pact Hitler negotiated to keep the Russians out while he attacked the West.

I'm not sure if the attacks were simultaneous or if the Russians let Germany do all the dirty work and then just came in to mop up. I guess "all was forgiven" when Germany attacked Russia less than two years later and Russia became our "ally".

Poland didn't have a chance, especially when their "great allies" France and England declared war on Germany, and then sat around and watched while Germany built up it's army even more while preparing for the invasion of France. The Polish people have a lot to be bitter about.

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Poniat
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posted 10-25- 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not bitter, unlike Murhpie's

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Poniat
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posted 10-25- 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone ever tried one? Murh pie, I mean?

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Eyes
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posted 10-25- 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eyes   Click Here to Email Eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All are great with the PZL 11 Zur ! Keep it up...the 24 is a must my friend !
I am counting on you !

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Whirlwind
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posted 10-26- 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whirlwind   Click Here to Email Whirlwind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, I haven't downloaded your plane yet. I must be slipping. That and my vid card/computer or something is locking/rebooting things more than a one time deal. I probably need to reset stuff. Anyways, from the picture in Flight Mag's Fighters the model looks great.

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Zurawski
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posted 10-27- 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, I know you guys downloaded it ... and you guys are also the most "opinionated" people I know ...


I can't believe there are not any more comments to be added to my beta2 list of "to-do's!"

Going once ... going twice ...

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Poniat
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posted 10-27- 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Poniat   Click Here to Email Poniat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK mister, you asked for it!

The 3D model in has a "hump" in front of the windscreen, between the wing roots while the real thing seems to have this part almost flat. I have a drawing here with three cross sections in three points along the longituinal axis between the engine and the cockpit. The wing joins the fuse near the top of the fuselage leaving very little of it to "stick out" upward. Aha, the central part of the wing seats on top of the fuselage it doesn't "enter" it, it looks as if it glued on to of it.
Oooh...

Numero duo. The stall speed of the 11c version was about 110 km/h (69 mph). You model is spot on it seems
It's difficult to land even when slowing down to 10 mph, it bounces and raises the nose up dropping the wing and killing me in result

The damage texture shows when it bounces hard.

The roll rate seems to be on the slow side, look at the span of those ailerons! It should roll in a snap (pun intended). Seriously tho, it was for those complaining about the fast rolling Gosh, peopl, there are only two MGs in the wings, no gear with their crafty but hevy folding mechanisms, the wing is very light yet sturdy, the ailerons are huuuge, there are no flaps, people! This isn't a WWI kite, it's all metal stressed skin design but it still has WWI planes turning abilities, stop thinking boom and zoom for a sec, will ya!

Sorry have to go

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Had to get off line, a technician from my telecom company turned up to check what's wrong with my phone.
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One more thing, the 3D model seems to be sitting a bit above the ground.

Everything else is peachy! Just had a quick fight with Ratas!

Off to check the climbrate.

[This message has been edited by Poniat (edited 10-27-2000).]

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