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Topic: Combat Tactics
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-12- 06:18 PM
   
Spanky here... I read the blond knight (Erich Hartmann) a couple months back (great book BTW) and I'm now reading, Courage in the early morning (Billy Bishop) Hartmann of course is the ace with the most kills ever and Bishop is the leading allied Ace of ww1 (Canadian too  ) he was only 8 behind the Red Baron and fought opposite of the Baron's squad during a couple months of ww1 including bloody april. The interesting part is they both learned and refined the same technique. They both did hit and runs and didn't get into turning looping dogfights. And they both belived in getting in EXTREAMLY close. Bishop as close as 5 yards if he memory is to be belived. If they were drawn into a turning looping fight they would try to break off. Just though some guys might like to know that. I thought it was cool And I try to do the same thing while online. The hardest part is getting on the guy's tail though. Thats what I need to learn. IP: Logged |
Mirthain
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posted 10-12- 09:56 PM
Ever fly against Tailslide? That is exactly what he does... I remember in the 2V2 contest we did, that is exactly what he did to me, and that is what he does whenever I fight him online. And don't forget, that in the old 38, I was one of the aces in that plane... and I think that TS will tell you that I made him work for all his kills made on me.... But that is the tactic he uses... I just don't have the patience for that kind of fighting... and believe me it takes patience and thought... not an easy thing to do, even though it looks it... I have tried to fly that way, but I am just too agressive for my own good, as anyone that has crashed head to head with me will attest.. ;}
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Tailslide
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posted 10-12- 10:18 PM
True.. the only time I get "low and slow" is if it's a one on one. Otherwise I wind up getting that burning sensation from Mirth's wingie  . Hedgehog was doing a pretty good job of shooting them off my tail when I got in trouble. With the 'padlock nearest' button it's pretty hard to sneak up on people though.. most kills in WW2 the victim never saw it coming. I get the same impression as Spanky.. it was mostly sneak, zoom, shoot, regroup. TS IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-12- 10:55 PM
Spanky here... Yep very true there tail, That and hud and map make this war we fight VERY different then the real war. Insanly different. You couldn't even say we are playing a historical online game. Thats part of what I wanted to do with my historical flight night, No huds, and such. IP: Logged |
Gustang
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posted 10-13- 12:33 PM
Spank,I'd definitely be around for a no-hud night! Would be big fun (especially w/ bombers, Bor ). I think no hud really adds another dimension to the game. Lemme know if you try to organize one. IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 10-13- 12:40 PM
There is also such a thing as taking advantage of your plane's strengths and the other plane's weaknesses. For instance, until the US snagged a Zero in the Aleutians, the plane was hard to beat, but after realizing that the Zero had no armour, was slower turning to the right, and had problems with control surface freeze at anything over 200kts the US pilot merely had to keep his speed over 200kts (usually 240) and turn hard right if the Zero managed to get on his tail (per Nov. Air&Space magazine). IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-13- 06:16 PM
Spanky here... Gustang, I tried and there wasn't enough intrest. Whirl. Yep. IP: Logged |
JG3_Jetlag
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posted 10-13- 08:15 PM
I see a lot of people firing at targets that are, sometimes literaly, "miles away" and keep on firing as they get nearer. This only alerts the pilot that there is a threat behind. There is nothing better to turn "smug mode" on, than getting very close up behind an aircraft that doesn't know you are there, then letting rip at point-blank range. Although I am far from being an expert, it is vitally important to only engage the enemy on your terms. In this day and age of "just a quick dogfight before dinner" the tendancy is to get the most value for your time. It takes some self-discipline to train yourself to avoid combat until you are in an advantageous position, at the risk of seeing no action at all in a mission.------------------
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-13- 08:22 PM
Spanky here... Yep so true jet. I have a hard time holding my trigger. If there is anything I can be proud of though its the fact that I'm pretty decent at it. I almost never run out of ammo, Cause I wait for the perfect time to fire. Even with the 67 rounds in the huge cannon on the 109. IP: Logged |
Mirthain
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posted 10-13- 09:25 PM
Oh yeah, using your ammo wisely is the most important thing you can do.... in this game with planes like the Spits that run out of ammo so fast it will make your heart ache.. you have to use bursts, I burst, then look for signs I hit, like debris, if not, then I yank around and try again.... no long bursts unless you know you are hitting, then burst away.... but know how to use your ammo, or you are dead.
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Werner Molders
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posted 10-13- 11:22 PM
Now THIS is a thread!!I'm sure you guys saw this too, but but in "pick up" dogfights people seem stuck to air-quake tactics. However, these same people (in many cases) when in SDOEwar few much more realistically from a defense perspective. Rather than leaving hud on and checking their six every half second, I think a lot of people got so sucked into the action that many kills were scored on people who didn't know it was coming. Maybe I got lucky this way, but it sure made the war way, way more fun for me. (btw I leave hud off even on those pick up matches - I hate the thing) I know that when I chopped off snickers' tail over eastbourne he was actively engaged in taking down a 262 and consequently I was able to get in position. Again in Africa, I got in behind snickers again but unfortunately stubborness got the better of me and I closed to fast, resulting in mutual annihilation. Again however, I don't know if he saw it coming. At least that's what I think based on his ACM when I engaged. Anyhow, I don't mean to ramble (well I do, I had 6 consecutive hours of tests today) but the point is, I guess, this kind of 'historical' flying can be done in sdoe, and I think SDOEwar is the surest bet for achieving it. Oh, and I know I cited my encounters with snickers exclusively, but this really isn't slander - on the contrary engagements with a pilot like snick are (obviously) among my most memorable ever in this game. Werner IP: Logged |
Whirlwind
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posted 10-14- 02:08 PM
During the 4vs4 match last year (?) I actually took part for the first time in an online dogfight. I am not the best pilot in the world, but I did ok. Ok for not using padlock (who can turn their necks 360x360 degrees?) but still couldn't keep up with SA. My innability to keep SA also gets me killed by the AI as well. I guess that is why I prefer to fly gunner on a bomber - I am not much of a fighter jock, but I am getting better as a gunner. I have been reading through the section on Lanc bombers in 'Great Aircraft of WWII' (by Alfred Price & Mike Spick, ISBN 0-7858-0669-5) and noticed a section comparing 4 .303's to 2 .50's. According to the section, the reason bomber command was not inclined to replace the 4 .303's in the tail with something heavier was time of day, rate of fire, and bomber formation tactics. At night, both planes have to get fairly close to see each other whether you are using radar or not. At a distance, the .303's aren't much use but if you can lure the attacking fighter in close, the .303's really shine. In otherwords, the .303 didn't have the range, but 4 of them packed a punch, especially at such a high rate of fire (1,150rpm vs .50's 750rpm or 306 per 4 secs for a quad 303 vs 113 per 4 secs for a Rose Rice turret with dual 50's). In regards to bomber formation tactics, the US used the box formation and everyone had to stay in his slot, however, the British used the gaggle formation and when a fighter got on a Lanc's tail, they were allowed to corkscrew forcing the fighter to either take some tough shots or to get closer for better chances. IP: Logged |
Pye
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posted 10-15- 08:54 PM
An Observation...i have found With HUD ON
A pilot in a chase doesn't get Target Fixation,,, He gets Pilots ID fixation,,,
More intent on getting revenge! And seems to readily accept being shot! himself,,,strange,, I've done it to! and taken down alot!! Without HUD,, More pilots Peel Off a anonymous plane quicker! when attacked themselves ! ------------------
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-15- 09:04 PM
Spanky here... Very true man, I do that all the time. Real pilots did that too when they could recognize the plane. Most times you couldn't though
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spin
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posted 10-15- 10:17 PM
I've got to say that one of the things that keeps me away from WWII fighters is the dogfight mentality - kill your opponent at all cost.SDOE war really did make it feel more important - you needed to make it home - not necessarily score the kill. I still believe that's what makes the missions flown in SDOE better than any other - it's a game but - strategy and skill play a big part - you don't just jump on someone's six and fire into oblivion - only expecting to get shot yourself and then regen 1 mile behind the guy who got you.
SDOE's about timing - knowing where your opponent is - and waiting for the right moment to attack - then bug out. Unfortunately like everyone said - we still have a need to stick around and take each other out.
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Mirthain
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posted 10-15- 11:11 PM
Well, in defence of the HUD, I use it mainly for just the little box.... my monitor is small and so it makes it very difficult to know what you are looking at... and at ranges you would know if you were in a plane.
I also use it to help with german fighters... I can't read the panels, so for a nice quick reference on alt it helps.... beyond that, I only use the top of the screen hud, not the ladder, and for the reasons above, or if I am flying a bomber, or the bomb mission is one where ground units are the target, especially flak 37's, I will use it to get an idea of where the targets are... thats all folks.....
I really don't see the hud as a cheat, just an equalizer..... ;}
Helps us challenged guys keep up with you big monitor good system guys... ;}
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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 10-16- 08:12 AM
Spanky here... Actually I use the Ladder when hud is on. I figure its a fair trade since i can't feel the Gforces. I can live without them though. I wish HUD had more selectable modes. I wish online you could enable just the speed and alt since its sometimes hard to see the panel. And I wish the boxes would appeer around the planes and ground object at a host selectable range with and without name and speed. I would fly without anything but the box, and that box should dissapeer when its behind part of the plane, a cloud or mountain. IP: Logged |
Snake
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posted 10-16- 03:21 PM
What books are the best WWII fighter combat books? I would really like the purchase some.Thanks
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Pachy
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posted 10-16- 03:26 PM
I wish the HUD had configurable units!IP: Logged |
Mk10 225th
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posted 10-16- 03:43 PM
WHAT? Oh, I thought he said "configurable eunichs." ------------------
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