posted 10-03- 09:09 PM               

I don't understand why>? Why spread everything all over.

I hate the way there is like 3 or 4 IL-2 forums out there.

I bet oleg just LOVES That. LOL

posted 10-03- 10:46 PM               

I don't know, I guess as a way to get more people over here. I wouldn't want to split up all the traffic here with the traffic there.

posted 10-04- 03:31 PM               

Werner

P.S. Thanks mposis for taking the initiative on this one!!

posted 10-04- 05:02 PM               

So, is it better than EAW? Or just different? And why the secrecy?

posted 10-04- 05:51 PM               

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Originally posted by Li'lJugs:
So, is it better than EAW? Or just different? And why the secrecy?

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He he he.... no, MUWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Glad your here, welcome. We dont work in secrecy, its just that seems a majority of people passed this sim up. I'd say we work in obscurity. We have a nice little community here. Now for the EAW bashi err.... I mean the downfalls of EAW.

One.. It has sacraficed graphics for # of planes in the air.
Two.. We can make custom cockpits. Three.. We have a big headstart.

The upsides of EAW.
One.. Big number of planes in the air. Hmm... I can't think of anymore (seriously).

Now for the upsides of SDOE.

One.. easy customization.
Two.. painting these planes is easy.
Three.. Drop dead gorgeous terrain. Four.. Drop dead gorgeous planes (mine excluded but that will change).
Five.. Wow, we are up to five, where did EAW stop? Oh pardon me, I sometimes ramble on like what I'm doing now, I try to help it but I just cant ya know, its a serious problem and I... oops there I go again Anyways.. Five.. We have an EXTENSIVE range of planes from every era.
Six.. We dont have a limited number of spots for planes.
Seven.. Mission building is SO easy.
Eight.. New planes being started/released every week (usually).

Now downsides.
One.. No dynamic missions.
Two.. Small number of planes in air at once.
Three.. Small world maps
Four.. No day night cycle sun or moon
Five.. Limited wingman commands and no ground
Six.. Long load times
Seven.. MP bug

If you'r like me, MP is a small part.
Thats about it. So, there ya have it!

NOTE: Added some from Josephs suggestions

posted 10-04- 09:15 PM               

YOU KNOW THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF
YOU SDOE PEOPLE FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO RUB YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE EAW PLAYERS FACES
TRUE YOU HAVE MORE OPEN ARCHITECTURE
AND SINCE EAW POEPLE HAVE DONE A LOT WITH NOTHING, IF THEY HAD OPEN TECH. IT WOULD BLOW THIS SORRY EXCUSE FOR A SIM AWAY.

I USED TO PLAY EAW ALL THE TIME BUT I WANTED A SWITCH, THIS GAME LOOKED GOOD, BUT ITS A DOG, THE SCENERY LACKS DEPTH, IT LOOKS BLAND AND UNIMAGINATIVE. THE PHYSICS MODEL WAS OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED BY POEPLE WHO NEVER EVEN SEEN GUN FOOTAGE FROM WW2. WHEN YOU SHOOT THE WING OFF OF A B-17 IT DOESNT YAW TO ONE SIDE AND FLOAT THERE, IT IS SUPPOSED TO AUGER TO THE GROUND, WHO MODELS THIS, DING DING DING, EAW.
YOUR MISSIONS SUCK, THEY ARENT REMOTELY HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
AND FOR PLANES COMING OUT EVERY WEEK, SO DOES EAW.
IVE NEVER IN MY LIFE EVER HEARD OF A RAID THAT GOES INTO THE HEART OF GERMANY WITH A WHOLE 3 BOMBERS. TERRIBLE.

WE DONT NEED A MISSION CREATOR, WE CAN JUST SELECT A SINGLE MISSION AND CJANGE EVERY PARAMETER OF IT, LIKE CRUISE ALT., TYPE OF MISSION, FREINDLY SUPPORT, AND MORE.
I PUT IN SDOE AND I WAS THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED, THE DAMN THING DIDNT EVEN WORK IN GLIDE, AND D3D SUCKED, IM PROUD TO SAY THAT I PUT EAW BACK IN AND IM LOOKING FORWARD TO MANY MORE MONTHS OF HASSLE FREE ENJOYMENT.

NOT TO MENTION A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THIER OWN GAME THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO. NOT GOING AROUND AND BASHING A GAME BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THEY CANT CONTROL

YOU WANT A REAL GAME, GO GET EAW OR JANE'S WW2 FIGHTERS, SOMETHING WITH SOME DEPTH, NOT THIS SHIT YOU CALL A SIM.
IM DONE

YOUR GAME SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS .

GUESS WHAT!!!!!!
IT STILL [censored] SUCKS YOU BUNCH OF BRAGGING BASTARDS

[Mighty here. Please keep it clean outside of the Flame Wars section. Thanks.]

posted 10-04- 09:38 PM               

So why exactly are you here? And why exactly are you asking how to run it better?

BTW everything he said was true, If you want to take that as bashing then go ahead.

posted 10-04- 09:47 PM               

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WWI in SDOE!

posted 10-04- 09:54 PM               

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Originally posted by Spanky the Mad Dog:
Spanky here...

BTW everything he said was true, If you want to take that as bashing then go ahead.

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posted 10-04- 10:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Aladar:

Now downsides.
One.. No dynamic missions.
Two.. Small number of planes in air at once.

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I'm not here supporting the youthful exuberance of Wulf there. I used the link that you provided to this thread from the EAW forum at Combatsim.
Here are a few downsides to add to the limited AC numbers and lack of campaigns you mention.

Small world maps

No day night cycle sun or moon

Poor Flight model consistency

Limited wingman commands and no ground control

Long load times

No immersion

MP bug

posted 10-04- 11:01 PM               

wulf_pilot - You enjoy your sim, and we ours. You are free to discuss what you want in your combatsim forum, aren't we? If you really don't care about this sim, then why are you here???? If you find the remarks certain members of this community have made at combatsim, why do think it's your moral obligation to descend to that level and return the same? Geesh, what a whiner. When these sims came out a few years ago, there was no shortage of vitriolic remarks made about this sim, and how we were all wasting our time on it. Remember Hengist? I'll never forget when he started a massive, community wide flamewar that lasted for nearly a week, if not more. wulf, go back to your board. When we want to talk about comparing sims, we do it in a mature, articulate fashion. Somehow I don't think "YOUR GAME SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS." qualifies. Sounds more like my pre-adolescent brother.

DanW - While I think your intentions are noble, and that I agreed with them at first, let's take stock for a second. Hmm. We have one "Adolf Hitler" who decided to make his inaugural post on the sdoe forum. Oh yeah, real impressive. We also have Mr.X. who in his brief and unforgivably ignorant post reflected the view the gaming community has of sdoe, a view that has had two years to become hardwired and engrained. Oh, and who can forget "lucifer", who has proclaimed his intention to "[Recruit] more and more Screaming Demons to our black legion, in preparations for the final assault against the forces of good and light, the EAW forum...." Now isn't that just great for Public Relations...

In my opinion, while Lil'jugs may be an exception to the rule, I believe that this forum, populated by ignorant, hostile and inarticulate trolls such as those listed above will only do a disservice to us. SDOE may have a cult following, but frankly coming home and reading the threads from you guys is like talking to extended family - we're relatively close-knit, tend to get along, support each other... Aside from the odd ripple I think we have it really good around here. Now if this new forum means we're going to have trolls like wulf posting that sort of thing on a more regular basis, I don't think it's worth the trouble. How to deal with publicity then? Instead of having a forum dominated by garbage like what is fast accumulating at combatsim, how about doing more editorials, articles and whatnot for these sites? I'd volunteer. That way the truth is heard, and not clouded by Lucifer's declaration of holy war on EAW, etc.

mposis, I appreciate the gesture so don't think this is a criticism of you, or you DanW either, this is just my opinion based on what my reactions to what has been posted. If I were somebody who had heard some bad press about sdoe, and visited the combatsim forum to try and help make up my mind, I'd run back to my IL2 forum.

Oh, and finally, thanks Mighty.

Werner

posted 10-04- 11:11 PM               

Yep I kinda like SDOE,s cult status. It rocks that way, we don't get alot of dumbasses that way and the people that do stick around really STICK around, this becomes there fav new sim. Then they decide to dable in plane making or tweaking and off they go.

I'll agree with SDOE being a modelers sim too, right now with the network code problems and the inconsistant FMs, (yes I agree with that statement) its just not quite good enough all around to compete with some of the more solid sims.

I think starting a forum at combat sim may be more trouble then its worth.

Some of you guys say that its great advertisement for the community and the game.

But I find just posting cool stuff in the props forum would work just as well.

Some people might see a SDOE forum and either brush it off or troll on in.

posted 10-05- 12:08 AM               

Personally, I enjoy EAW for offline play, and SDOE for online. Each is different, and I cannot even try to compare the 2. Loco put it well in the EAW Combatsim forum, about just one big flight sim community. Thats the way I prefer to look at it.

It isn't a sporting event, and breast beating isn't necessary from either side. War is Hell...thats why we should try to avoid it, not engage in it.

Oh...and welcome, Li'lJugs!! I have enjoyed reading your posts as well as nearly all of the great posts at the Combatsim EAW forum!! Hope you find something about SDOE that you like, and will be visiting here often!

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posted 10-05- 01:06 AM               

TS

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Patch It!

posted 10-05- 02:52 AM               

One.. It has sacraficed graphics for # of planes in the air.
Two.. We can make custom cockpits. Three.. We have a big headstart.

The upsides of EAW.
One.. Big number of planes in the air. Hmm... I can't think of anymore (seriously).
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I think you'll find that the only reason you've given that is accurate is That SDOE has a head start. You only have to try skinning once to realise how much can be achieved with a limited but customised pallette. As for the models...

The file structure in EAW means that far more can be achieved than is currently used. Woolfman, who recently began producing biplane models has taken the first steps in this direction, by dropping extra elements into files which are being underused. We may never have cockpit canopies that open, but a new generation of super-detailed models is just around the corner, if we want to develop the idea. Likewise, it was recently discovered that non symmetric cockpits are posssible, through the simple addition of another graphics file.

You are right in one respect; SDOE developers do have a head start, but I don't see that making SDOE better.

Anybody who takes EAW from the box and loads it up is not likely to be overly impressed with the graphics available. Anyone who is willing to take the time can turn EAW into one of the most visually impressive games anywhere.
www.wierzbicki.freeserve.co.uk

posted 10-05- 06:53 AM               

Nat, What JC ment and the point I backed him up about was the fact that some of the FMs in SDOE are great and truly represent the plane.

Some of the other planes have been ignored and there FM is horrible, so that plane in ignored online too.

We have to get every plane a Great FM before we can start tooting our horn about SDOE.

Thats nothing like all of them being the same.

I think its great that some people can enjoy both. I personally cannot But i'm hopeing that if IL-2 is as good as it looks then it will be sharing some hard drive space with SDOE.

And with the possibility of User Creations being added in by the company well thats just awesome, user add ons and quality control. Sounds like something we need around here.