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Topic: "Your making a WHAT?!"
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Zurawski
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posted 09-26- 01:03 AM
   
A PZL P.11cPolands only viable aircraft used to defend Poland from Germany in 1939... A few teazers:     I can' tell you all how much fun it is flying this plane! (you'll find out soon enough!)  [This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 09-26-2000).] IP: Logged |
Eyes
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posted 09-26- 03:09 AM
Looks great Zur ! Never heard of it but I am curuious to take her up in teh air ! Cant wait ! Congrats !------------------
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wakeup tailgunner
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posted 09-26- 03:32 AM
How does she stand up to 109's?From what I recall, the Polish fighter squadrons were hideously overmatched, but due to the manouverability of these little planes, gave the Luftwaffe more trouble than they expected! The design was modern in it's day though, sincewhen it was designed, everyone else wasstill building Bi-planes as front line fighters. Love that model....especially that front cowling and the curvy bodywork behind the cockpit. Can't wait to see it skinned! IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 09-26- 04:06 AM
lookin good Zur! Can't wait till you model that damn wierd lookin prop they have.. lol, but from what I have here the model looks about spot on (I know there are some lil things to add yet)
Some tech details for those that don't know the aircraft:1 645hp Skoda built Bristol Mercury VIS.2 Radial (initialy a 560hp Skoda built Mercury VS.2)
Max speed 242mph @ 18,500ft
Climb to 16,500ft in 6 mins
service ceiling 26,250ft
Range 435 miles Weight empty 2,529 lbs
Max takeoff 3,968lbs Wing span 35ft 2inches
Length 24ft 9 1/4 inches
height 9ft 4 1/2 inches
Wing area 192.68 sq ft
Aramament 2 7.7mm mg's
provision for light bombing (sorry, got no details on this) SDOE just grows and grows Nice one Zur, great to have more Polish aircraft.. infact, isn't this the first truely Polish aircraft? ~Nat~
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"SDOE... What and where would you like to fly today?"
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ArgonV
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posted 09-26- 06:55 AM
Looking friggin great!!!!!!!!! Things to add, but Im amazed how good it looks already! P.S. If you need a tester, by all measn ask me. I love alpha/beta testing! IP: Logged |
Zurawski
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posted 09-26- 07:31 AM
...wakeup tailgunner,Granted the FM is still "roughed in" The nimble little bugger holds it's own quite well! I set up a quick intercept with 8 PLZs -vs- 8 109e's and it pretty much ended in a draw... The PLZ would turn into the 109s and be on their tail quicker than snot... the 109s would either outclimb outrun the PLZ from that point. those four 303's really don't do "squat". One thing for sure... If a person can get consistant kills with the PLZ, they really know their dogfighting skills! IP: Logged |
Pete Hawk
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posted 09-26- 10:09 AM
Looking great Z! Can't wait to give it a go I wonder how it would fair against the Harrier... maybe I shouldn't ask. :P IP: Logged |
Maury Markowitz
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posted 09-26- 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Zurawski:
A PZL P.11c
YES YES YES! Finally! Enough of the Luft'46 planes, we need Luft'39! Note that some of the other PZL planes should be very easy to make based on the 11 framework - the 24 for instance. Maury IP: Logged |
Zurawski
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posted 09-26- 11:26 AM
...Maury Markowitz,LOL! way ahead of you... With a name like Zurawski, I think it's easy to see I have a vested interest in this plane-set. I personally plan on ding the rest of the Polish airforce if time permits. IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 09-26- 12:45 PM
Zur, you are only putting 2 mg's on that c version aren't you, I saw above you said 4 303's, but from my info it was the much later P.11g prototype that had 4 7.7 (.303) mgs, also and enclosed pit and a 830hp Mercury VIII engine.Just thought I'd mention it ~Nat~ IP: Logged |
Zurawski
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posted 09-26- 01:10 PM
...Nat,Nope you heard me right. Trust me I thought a typo too. I done "mucho" search on the PLZ and as it stands, late model PLZ P.11c's did have four 303s. (come on, give the Poles a break eh?) Here are a few sources:
http://ornak.waw.pdi.net/~robertp/history/sept39/p11spec.html
http://www.simviation.com/fsdcbainpzlp11.htm And here is a great (albeit highly prejudous) read:
http://user.tninet.se/~qok231c/air.html (Do you know how difficult it is to come by flight-performance specs on a PLZ?) IP: Logged |
Maury Markowitz
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posted 09-26- 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by Zurawski:
With a name like Zurawski, I think it's easy to see I have a vested interest in this plane-set.
Well mine's Romainian and Polish, so I guess I should leave you to the PZL's and I'll tackle the He 112! Maury
I personally plan on ding the rest of the Polish airforce if time permits.
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Maury Markowitz
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posted 09-26- 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by Zurawski:
Here are a few sources:
And one more... http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/pzl.html While you're there, check out my He 100 article. Did I miss anything? Maury IP: Logged |
Werner Molders
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posted 09-26- 11:18 PM
Hey Zur - Awesome!! I can't wait to fly it.Do you, yourself speak Polish, or know somebody who does? (and would that speaker have access to a mic-equipped computer?)  Thanks! Werner ------------------
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Zurawski
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posted 09-27- 07:40 AM
...Werner,I'm way ahead of you. My Polish is actually quite rusty but I think I can manage 50 or so radio calls! Email me what you need and I'll rustle up the stuff for nations. (Thanks for the inclusion BTW) IP: Logged |
Joseph Cotton
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posted 09-27- 09:09 AM
Good work Zurawski
EAW has most all the major Polish planes already due to the work of Woolfman. He has resources I'm sure he would share with you if you requested.I will preface these screens by saying that they are not necessarily the best possible backgrounds and angles but are only really meant for management reasons with EAWs texture/model switching utilities.
These models will be improved upon and given realistic looking prop effects and transparent canopies (those still w/o) in the near future.
PZL P-24A
 PZL P-11C  PZL P-23C  PZL P-37B  Here is a Greek version PZL P-24G  [This message has been edited by Joseph Cotton (edited 09-27-2000).] IP: Logged |
Poniat
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posted 09-27- 09:36 AM
Oh my Gawd!
A P.11c.Zur, moge Cie pocalowac!?
You've made my day Zur! And the whole year too!
Thanks a lot and give us more, please! Once (on the original forum?) I dreamt about the Polish plane set and suggested their potential in lessening the small terrain size. Well, with slower planes we can have properly staged battles without scratching the wallsof the box with our wingtips. These early WWII A/C are not WWI planes (for those who don't like them) yet fit in the space provided nicely.
Now, the dream comes true, we have P.11's opponents: the Stuka and Rata with Pe-2 being a bit on the edge (the Rumanians might have actually used their P.24 against them) and the Bf109E. It's worth noting that a P.11c and a great deal of skill enabled one pilot coming unscratched from a dogfight with three 109s! in September 1939 (was it Skalski - can't recall right now...) Zur, again Piekne dzieki i usciski reki (jesli czujesz wstret do moich calusow, ja sam zaczynam miec watpliwosci )!!! ------------------
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Poniat
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posted 09-27- 10:27 AM
Joseph,
Now I must dig out that pesky EAW CD, any idea where I could have stuck it  ?Nat,
A truly Polish plane? You mean the one with the Pulawski's wing (patented and used first on his P.1 type)?
Poland's relatively weak economy before the war (until 1918 Polish state didn't exist finaly partitioned between Russia, Prussia and Austria in 1795 and the liberated country of 1918 consited the industrially undeveloped fringe territories of the three occupants) didn't allow any great scale production but I'm sure the PZL P.1 wasn't the first indigenous A/C designed and built in Poland. Hehe, I've just found out (http://www.kki.net.pl/marhanke/kronika.html) that first gunpowder rockets in Poland were being built and tested by some monk in 1380! I don't know if that is what constitute a truly Polish aircraft (no doubt the progenitors of Polish jokes agree).
Ah, and for all those Yankee boys here:
24.IX.1861 first use of the telegraph for coordination of artillery fire from a baloon took place in Washington and the guy behind it was a Pole named Lowe Sobieski First flight of a 'vertical flight apparatus' Stibor 1 in Cracow in 1892. The vehicle reaches altitude of 100m. First design of a contrarotating, single axial helicopter by Józef Lipkowski in 1903. And this would be it:
1909-1912 - Czesław Tański buduje w Warszawie samolot własnego pomysłu "Łątka"
C. T. builds in Warsaw an aircraft of his own design named "Łątka". Doesn't say if it actually flown though 
http://www.muz-lotnictwa.krakow.pl/logo.jpg Cheers
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Poniat
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posted 09-27- 10:52 AM
Here are more links for those interested and for any blaze browsing types too Polish A/C before 1939: http://www.miramex.com.pl/jwsoft/1939/index.htm
At this time in Polish only but feel free to pester me for pidgeon English translation. Some info in Polish on: http://muzpollot.republika.pl/ And more... http://homepage.iprolink.ch/~gujski/L/Skrzydla.html Cheers
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