posted 09-23- 08:43 PM            

2. He realizes the real concerns of CFAPP

3. Understands the un written Law that says Planes are meant to be Flown!

(there are many of us who can only contribute by being ONLINE in the lobby and would fly a banna if it was in the PlanePack, and love it!)
*** see previous thread CFAPP ****

3. Having a new updated plane pack OUT ASAP is doing justice for those have built planes since PP5.3b

4. Will leave the other guys who want the Nations incl. some breathing space to offer the community a great Year 2001 spring present!!
with the newly gained experience of spin to help* ps. i'm not volunteering you spin'ners)

5. and othere talk may put him of the IDEA altogether.

6. SPIN your the Dude !!!

(there are many of us who can only ontribute by being ONLINE in the lobby and would fly a banna if it was in the PlanePack, and love it!)
*** see previous thread CFAPP ****

Campaign,, name change will soon be
CTSSwPP
*campaign to support Spin with Plane Pack

posted 09-23- 08:59 PM            

the 2 yeays down the line..........

1960,1970,1980 etc planepack! separate , depending on the curve of jet plane development

because there are loads!!!!!

posted 09-23- 09:12 PM               

But I have to agree, there are alot of new things that if ready make it worth doing a plane pack now. That being said.....!

Please Take note of this for Plane Packs::

We MUST stop using parfiles for planes packs, I mean that, it has to stop now. We have to use an installer that will unpack the aircraft into their own folders.

The Reason: Simple, each plane pack is going to get bigger and bigger with the new addons and changes to older aircraft, but look, lets say in the next plane pack there are 20 planes that don't require or haven't been updated, meaning, they are the same as in the previous pack, using plane packs we still have to download them since they are in Parfiles.. take this to an extreme... we download a 50mb (very possible) Parfile plane pack, of which only 20mb are new.. this is plain stupid.

with an installer we will have folders for each aircraft, any new packs will then only requier the new additions plus alterations rather than every single thing we ever built and the installer will update the requierd aircraft. Parfiles must be stopped for Plane Packs!

Seriosly, this needs to happen

~Nat~

posted 09-23- 09:21 PM               

Sorry Pye, would you clarify this for me? Thanks.

Werner

posted 09-23- 09:41 PM               

weasel/pye - I will be very surprised if Nations V2 (first and final bug free edition)isn't available by the end of the month.

Werner

posted 09-24- 12:43 AM            

*****
I speak with a bit of ignorance because the Nations 1.0 never made my hardrive,,, it was never an online standard,, and I rarely play offline, alone!

I was out of sdoe for a while when the nations exitement got going, I don't really know what it is infact!
Hey any neather will Newbies,,, so ...thats me!

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9./JG3_Pye

posted 09-24- 12:55 AM               

TS

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Patch It!

posted 09-24- 01:33 AM               

With all due respect, you are speaking from a position of ignorance. It makes more sense to release nations first because then the aircraft ppfs in the pack (really only applies to italian, japanese, australian, french and soviet a/c - how many of those are there?) can be checked to ensure they're categoried properly. If the PP is released first, and the zero, for example, is listed in its ppf as a german plane, we'll have to wait until the next plane pack to get this fixed!! This is exactly what happened last time (w/Nations 1 and pp5.3b), and I got (and still get) scores of emails of people asking why I had made such a glaring oversight!

In regards to nations not being online standard, note the date on the fsic online standard page - May 18th!! There is no conceivable reason why nations would not be included in the list of online standard. In fact, Nations v1 is listed on simfiles' Top Downloads having been downloaded 741 times!!!. Any time I've flown in a game w/Japanese or Soviet planes online, everyone else involved has had nations installed.

In regards to "I was out of sdoe for a while when the nations exitement got going, I don't really know what it is infact!
Hey any neather will Newbies,,, so ...thats me! " Pye, perhaps this will help: http://www.fightersquadron.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002810.html

*breath*, *breath*. Now Pye, I'm trying really, really hard not to totally lose it over that last post. Please understand, nations is a ton of work, and while I don't even do the heavy stuff anymore, I focus on quality control, coordination and public relations. Now I don't go waving flags and starting threads any more or less than plane designers do, and people seem to know what those are, so a comment like "I don't really know what it is infact! " just floors me. I don't buy the "Hey any neather will Newbies,,, so ...thats me!" bit either. In fact, recently I got an email which included the following quote "Mr. Molders, thank you so much for Nations! It has truly enhanced the game for me." (For the record, I gave credit where credit was due in my reply - and this was a real email) I don't know what I'm doing wrong here, because obviously if somebody like you who's been around FS for a long time is posting like that, I've screwed up badly somewhere along the line. If you have any suggestions about how to remedy this PR disaster, please tell me.

Also, to the community: Pye raises a good point - Nations hasn't officially been considered online standard as yet. Could this please be rectified? Oh, and don't even try to feed me the line that "Nations or no nations on a person's HD won't cause incompatabilities online, so why bother?" Bother because: The point of online standard is two fold - stop mismatches, and enhance the FS experience by streamlining the way to the getting to the biggest, best and most complete user add-ons. Note in particular that the plane packs don't include alphas or early betas! Nations, in acknowledgment of the severe annoyance of a 15 meg beta, has always, and will always have a one-release, no-beta policy (refer to above forum link).

*breath*, *breath*.

In conclusion, Nations will be on virtual shelves by the end of September. I hope the ~741 people who downloaded the first version will enjoy the second version even more.

Werner

P.S. http://af.3dgw.com/nations.htm --> Bookmark it!

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posted 09-24- 06:45 AM            

A thread on the forum goes to page 2 after 2/3 days,, I and many others don't read every thread especially if it's not concerning the ONLINE STANDARD,

I hate downloading things that will mess my ONLINE STANDARD,,in otherwards gives me or others Mismatches, I fly , I fly alot, a very lot, i fly against pilots who's names have never appeared in this sdoe forum, they only fly the online standard as per www.fightersquadron.com / ONLINE STANDARD link, ,I would never tell newbies to go to simfiles; because of all the other downloads, , for the obvious reason that when I see those pilots again, we are compatible ONLINE fully.

Now take a step back, when you and I first joined SDOE( I didn't know you then),it was Mismatches all over the place,People started to fall from the SDOE lobbies like , olives from a tree,
If a newbie tries to downloads these files BELOW from this mission on www.simfiles, then tries to fly ONLINE ,,he's gone last 1hr then Give UP,back to his old EAW or other Sim he used to fly.

Name: Eyes_Rhineland Winter Campaign

Rating: Not Rated - Click here to rate this file

Game: Fighter Squadron

Type: Mission

Author: Eyes Homepage

Size: 50 kb

Downloads: 25

Uploader: Eyes

Description:
Fictional based scenario campaign for Rhineland Winter terrain featuring the russian planes and many add-ons !
The neccessary files are teh following :
1). The Rhineland Winter Terrain. If you dont have it, you can download it from http://www.fightersquadron.com/warpaint/

2). Plane Pack 5.3, Plane pack patch 5.3b & Contest pack 1.1

3). The P-39Q. If you dont have it, you can download it from http://www.simfiles.com

4). The V-1 bomb (no corrupt version). If you dont have it, you can download it from http://www.simfiles.com

5). The Stuka beta 1.0 . If you dont have it, you can download it from http://models3d.webjump.com/

6). The Bf-110 beta. If you dont have it you can download it from http://www.simfiles.com

7). The PE-2 beta 1.1b . If you dont have it, you can download it from the FSIC download section http://www.fightersquadron.com/ . Go to the message board and click to the Download section or use the search option.

8). The Mistel 1 & Mistel 3 planes. If you dont have them, download them from http://www.simfiles.com

9). The Ta-152 fighter. If you dont have it, you can download it from http://www.greenforce.net/fs/fs.htm

10). The Nations pack version 1.0 . If you dont have it you can download it from http://www.simfiles.com

11). The T-34 Medium Russian Tank. If you dont have it, you can dowload it from http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/naturlich/

12). Any winter skins that you probably have will add to the campaign atmosphere.

I gave you my pathetic reasons for not having the CONTEST PACK,but it's not the called the ONLINE STANDARD, and I'm STILL FLYING ONLINE.

I broke my rule downloading a tank so borealis could test his Video, ,which I'm personally interested in him succeding, because it's could add more to the ONLINE Multiplayer experience.

So many other new things i'm missing, because they are not the ONLINE STANDARD.
some I read about and others i don't...your creation included...no apologies for that

So the PLANEPACK WOULD GIVE ME MORE THAN IT WOULD GIVE YOU AT THIS TIME......

I hope to see you ONLINE , I haven't seen you since the WAR, i've been ONLINE loads and I've crossed timezones being in Europe it's hard,

The number of people online is going down! there are not 784 people playing online,,downloads of contest 1.0 maybe but not flying ONLINE,

I'm the other extreme to Pete Hawk , who said he was going to bed, then saw Mr blobs creation and had to try it! I see a pilot on tails Server list and I have to fly ONLINE against him!

You aint gonna like this,,, but I would still be flying this sim if it where the original files from the box! cause it plays well with other players ONLINE,,,

And also Werner,, are you related to someone from the X-files
:-)

So not understanding all the complexities of ppfs and stuff, I go with SPIN on what he decides, as I have done silently before cause I know the Planepack is the Key to my and many others continued enjoyment of this Simulation with Pilots that like to fly ONLINE, and those that made the planepacks before must have thought the same at somepoint to make them and called them ONLINE STANDARD,

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9./JG3_Pye

posted 09-24- 06:57 AM            

On Downloading the above mentioned files need for the mission: Mismatches would occur at the next major Plane Pack (Online Standard) release.....resulting in a possible loss of new pilots still!

posted 09-24- 07:20 AM            

As you can see from the lack off replies,, people don't read all posts,,
You need to post your Idea as a Thread in it's own right,

so , It's sounds a very sensible idea and I've often wondered what would happen, with the ever increasing Planepack size and the problems of making it!

any one who has all the new /updated file I could make a planepack then!,, using WINZIP; selecting only those folders that i need . ie for ww1 planes folders, ww2 planes folders, ww3 planes folders

Maybe a program could be made as the database of the Online that checks all the files and Folders and reports the mismatch of the ONLINE Standard offline!!!

You need to post your Idea as a Thread in it's own right,

posted 09-24- 07:56 AM               

For example lest take the Rhineland Winter campaign I recently made. By downloading all the necessary files you will not have a CTD or any other kind of a problem IF you install them correct. And your online compatibility will still be intact....

Problems begin, online i mean, when the following two things happen :
1). You will get online not compatible when you try to fire up a mission, which uses some planes, ground objects etc that are not included in the Plane Pack 5.3b + Contest Pack 1.1.
So, in order not to have online problems, some missions must be played offline ( like the last campaign I made ) and some other missions online.

2). Also, one can have online problems if he tries to installs planes like the new and improved P51D, P47D, planes that are already included in the current plane pack. These new and updated versions will be not compatible with the ones in the plane pack !
Thats the reason why I never tried the P51D ( although i went almost nuts the other day when I saw what the other guys think about teh new DM). Also I downloaded but never installed the new P47, Yak3 etc....

3). Never change the loadout.ppf of a planepack 5.3b+contest pack 1.1 plane. Thats why I added the torpedo to the A6M2 Zero ( not in teh current plane pack ) and not to the A6M5 for an example !

Keeping these three important things in mind there is NO WAY that you will be online incompatible.... And you still try all the new downloads that sdoe has to offer !
Trust me on this Pye... I know by experience !

PS I dotn fly online that much now, because I have exams ! These exams for my college will end in 15 days... After that period I plan to stay obnline all day long to ctach up the lost time !

posted 09-24- 09:08 AM            

Thats the best guide you've just written for a Newbie,,I've seen and would love to see just what you have written above , put into the help for newbies at the front page of this site,, in a section that says,, slighlty more advanced! to differenciate it from just those pilots that want/need the 4 Online Standard files

I, over time have come to realise 1. & 2. and would have never dared do no.3 of your points,

I remember in the beginnings the problems with planepacks and ONLINE Mis-Matches and many of the SDOE Offline Only fliers have never ventured back to this game online because of the Hassle factor with it!

I now find it Hassle; I want one download; Now that, pay per minute is gone for the Phonecall,, the Size of the plane pack is not an issue any more with alot off people;

but lots of small files is! moving them in and out around directories, I like getting online, and flying!
not spending half the time saying have you got this, file have you that one!etc
I spend the time helping always but, I prefer flying ,,,

I know what puts people off this Online game, Errors messages, complications etc

One simple solution, spoken
"get this file and you can fly" , I wanna say that,,
Newbies wanna hear that!

I want your mission Eyes but I don't want the seperate downloads,

JOKE FOLLOWS: ZIP your Fightersquadron Dir and call it ONLINE standard, Eyes;
aint a bad idea!

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You're Pye in the Sky

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9./JG3_Pye

posted 09-24- 09:48 AM               

PS I didint understand why the sarcasm Pye....

posted 09-24- 11:20 AM               

-Then Werner turns his head slightly to the left and sees something move... It's the man behind the curtain! The man says in the microphone "DO NOT LOOK THIS WAY!" In a Godly voice. But Werner calmly walks over to the man and says... "You are not an on-line God" and promptly smacks him in the face and assumes his position at the loud speaker controls.