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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...I've tried:

1. Uninstalling/reinstalling SDOE
2. ditto Graphics Blaster and associated software (Colorific, etc.)
3. ditto the Sidwinder FF pro software (version 3)

Somone suggested that I try installing SDOE from within safe mode. Not. CDROM not recoginized in safe mode.

When I start the game...it will play the movie...then lock up. The pointer appears on the screen..and I can move it around..but that's about it. Have to restart the pc to get going again.

The only theory I have at the moment is maybe my monitor (Digital FR-PCXCV-RA) has something to do with it. Plan to select another monitor during installation and see if that helps.

Any ideas? I'm out of 'em.

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CrossbowArcher
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posted 08-20- 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrossbowArcher   Click Here to Email CrossbowArcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may be suffering from too little free memory. Press ctrl-alt-del and close any unwanted and noncritical programs. I also have these probs when I try to run SDOE with low system resources. Use System monitor to check the mem.

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Kraftwerk
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posted 08-20- 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kraftwerk   Click Here to Email Kraftwerk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Key word here being Colorific....Dump that poison immediately and you'll see an improvement in graphics performance in SDOE.
Pretty much everything else will gain the performance advantage of a colorific-less system. Stick to the Nvidia or Creative drivers.

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Nat
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posted 08-20- 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you have to have the CD in the drive then you're obviously not patched.. I'd suggest trying the patch to see if that helps, you should install official patch 1.5, I'm not sayin it will fix your problems, but it will certainly let you test in safe mode so you can tell if it's a driver problem.

~Nat~

I'm also on win98 and have never had a problem, so I figure it must be a driver problem.. it's just finding it though

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Mirthain
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posted 08-20- 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirthain   Click Here to Email Mirthain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coming from the tech support world.... I know quite a bit about what ships with the Graphics Blaster cards, ditch both Colorific and 3Deep. They are pretty useless and I have seen them cause trouble. Don't use them and you will see an improvement.
Mirthain=FC=

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did that. The system has 128megs...and the only thing left to close was Guard Dog...which I closed. thanks.

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Originally posted by CrossbowArcher:
You may be suffering from too little free memory. Press ctrl-alt-del and close any unwanted and noncritical programs. I also have these probs when I try to run SDOE with low system resources. Use System monitor to check the mem.

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm.. that's interesting. I'll try that. I thought Colorific was necessary for some reason since it automatically installed when I installed the video driver software. Hope this works.


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Originally posted by Kraftwerk:
Key word here being Colorific....Dump that poison immediately and you'll see an improvement in graphics performance in SDOE.
Pretty much everything else will gain the performance advantage of a colorific-less system. Stick to the Nvidia or Creative drivers.

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you saying that the patch will make the pc recognize the cdrom in safe mode?

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Originally posted by Nat:
if you have to have the CD in the drive then you're obviously not patched.. I'd suggest trying the patch to see if that helps, you should install official patch 1.5, I'm not sayin it will fix your problems, but it will certainly let you test in safe mode so you can tell if it's a driver problem.

~Nat~

I'm also on win98 and have never had a problem, so I figure it must be a driver problem.. it's just finding it though


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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
..and I thought both were necessary. Will ditch both and see what happens.

Thanx

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Originally posted by Mirthain:
Coming from the tech support world.... I know quite a bit about what ships with the Graphics Blaster cards, ditch both Colorific and 3Deep. They are pretty useless and I have seen them cause trouble. Don't use them and you will see an improvement.
Mirthain=FC=

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Todesvogel
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posted 08-20- 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todesvogel   Click Here to Email Todesvogel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ug.

Programs like GuardDog/CrashGuard and (insert brand name) Anti-Virus generally are fatal to games. Suggest uninstalling those programs.

Try runing the game in 16-bit color mode [right-click on a blank area of the Window's desktop and choose Properties, then select the Setting tab to access color mode].

Trying changing the desktop to 640x480 resolution (see instructions above).

Possibly your display adapter is trying to run out of sync with your monitor (my 3dfx Voodoo 5500 does this, it's a piece of junk). This can be corrected by: installing an updated monitor .INF file (see your monitor's manufacture for this file), or by setting the Adapter's Refresh Rate to 60 Hz (follow the instructions above, and click the Advanced button on the Setting tab, then select the Adapter's Refersh Rate).

If you decide to try resetting the Refersh Rate, you might have to cycle through all resolutions and set the refersh rate to 60 hz for each one. Thankfully you only have to worry about 16 bit color mode. There is a file that holds the refresh rate data, don't know its name.

NOTE on Voodoo 5500: First, do not waste your money on a Voodoo 5500. I had to edit the 3dfx glideenv.bat file [SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75] in order to make the adapter work with a 17" Sony 17sfII.

I agree with the others, download DirectX from Microsoft's web site and install it. Then download the latest video driver from Creative's web site, and follow their instructions to install the driver. Don't install Coloriffic.

If none of these suggestion work, you'll have to post complete details on your computer (processor, motherboard, and everything else). Note: Super7 moptherboards generally require a few patchs (AGP and others) before they work properly with AGP video adapters.

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-20- 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. About the only thing I haven't tried is ratcheting down the resolution and color levels. I uninstalled colorific and 3deep..still locks up. Will try what you suggested. Remember...it worked just fine before I upgraded to w98.

Dan

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Originally posted by Todesvogel:
Ug.

Programs like GuardDog/CrashGuard and (insert brand name) Anti-Virus generally are fatal to games. Suggest uninstalling those programs.

Try runing the game in 16-bit color mode [right-click on a blank area of the Window's desktop and choose Properties, then select the Setting tab to access color mode].

Trying changing the desktop to 640x480 resolution (see instructions above).

Possibly your display adapter is trying to run out of sync with your monitor (my 3dfx Voodoo 5500 does this, it's a piece of junk). This can be corrected by: installing an updated monitor .INF file (see your monitor's manufacture for this file), or by setting the Adapter's Refresh Rate to 60 Hz (follow the instructions above, and click the Advanced button on the Setting tab, then select the Adapter's Refersh Rate).

If you decide to try resetting the Refersh Rate, you might have to cycle through all resolutions and set the refersh rate to 60 hz for each one. Thankfully you only have to worry about 16 bit color mode. There is a file that holds the refresh rate data, don't know its name.

NOTE on Voodoo 5500: First, do not waste your money on a Voodoo 5500. I had to edit the 3dfx glideenv.bat file [SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75] in order to make the adapter work with a 17" Sony 17sfII.

I agree with the others, download DirectX from Microsoft's web site and install it. Then download the latest video driver from Creative's web site, and follow their instructions to install the driver. Don't install Coloriffic.

If none of these suggestion work, you'll have to post complete details on your computer (processor, motherboard, and everything else). Note: Super7 moptherboards generally require a few patchs (AGP and others) before they work properly with AGP video adapters.


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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-21- 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well...the only idea I have left, and this one is weak....is that perhaps the driver w98 installed for my monitor isn't the one FSOE likes. so, I'm going to donwload the correct driver..and install it. If that doesn't work...I guess I can say goodbye to SDOE...as I've tried EVERYthing else!


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Originally posted by Todesvogel:
Ug.

Programs like GuardDog/CrashGuard and (insert brand name) Anti-Virus generally are fatal to games. Suggest uninstalling those programs.

Try runing the game in 16-bit color mode [right-click on a blank area of the Window's desktop and choose Properties, then select the Setting tab to access color mode].

Trying changing the desktop to 640x480 resolution (see instructions above).

Possibly your display adapter is trying to run out of sync with your monitor (my 3dfx Voodoo 5500 does this, it's a piece of junk). This can be corrected by: installing an updated monitor .INF file (see your monitor's manufacture for this file), or by setting the Adapter's Refresh Rate to 60 Hz (follow the instructions above, and click the Advanced button on the Setting tab, then select the Adapter's Refersh Rate).

If you decide to try resetting the Refersh Rate, you might have to cycle through all resolutions and set the refersh rate to 60 hz for each one. Thankfully you only have to worry about 16 bit color mode. There is a file that holds the refresh rate data, don't know its name.

NOTE on Voodoo 5500: First, do not waste your money on a Voodoo 5500. I had to edit the 3dfx glideenv.bat file [SET SST_SCREENREFRESH=75] in order to make the adapter work with a 17" Sony 17sfII.

I agree with the others, download DirectX from Microsoft's web site and install it. Then download the latest video driver from Creative's web site, and follow their instructions to install the driver. Don't install Coloriffic.


If none of these suggestion work, you'll have to post complete details on your computer (processor, motherboard, and everything else). Note: Super7 moptherboards generally require a few patchs (AGP and others) before they work properly with AGP video adapters.


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Whirlwind
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posted 08-22- 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Whirlwind   Click Here to Email Whirlwind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Reinstall DirectX.

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Dude
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posted 08-22- 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Dan, don't know if you tried this, but it worked for me (P3 600, V3 3000 w/latest whql drivers, latest FS Beta patch): I have to set my monitor resolution LOWER than the game's resolution, otherwise I get a CTD. This assumes you can get to the main menu, though. I can play D3D or Glide no prob.

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-22- 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nope...can't get to the main menu. I even stripped all the way down to systray and explorer on the taskbar...THEN uninstalled and reinstalled. Same thing. It plays the opening movie...and then locks up with the pointer on the screen. You can move the pointer around...but you have to reboot to get the machine to work again. Someone mentioned reinstalling directx. Do I uninstall first? I don't remember seeing directx on the "remove software" list.

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Originally posted by Dude:
Hey Dan, don't know if you tried this, but it worked for me (P3 600, V3 3000 w/latest whql drivers, latest FS Beta patch): I have to set my monitor resolution LOWER than the game's resolution, otherwise I get a CTD. This assumes you can get to the main menu, though. I can play D3D or Glide no prob.

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Daniel Davis
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posted 08-22- 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do I uninstall first? if so..how do I find it. I'll check, but I don't remember seeing directx on the "remove software" list.


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Originally posted by Whirlwind:
Reinstall DirectX.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 08-22- 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Nope no need to uninstall it first, just reinstall dx 7a.

Then you may have to reinstall your vid card drivers.

Or you install the vid card drivers and then DX7a.

Can't remember which way, I think the second.

LOL boy I'm a big help.

Keep plugging away, you should get it to run somehow.

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JV44_Pye
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posted 08-23- 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JV44_Pye     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1,, In Bios ; maybe you have been fiddling, reset bios , jumper on Motherboard; then reinstall windows,, Preferable, windows98 SE over win95__> win98 upgrades,

2, in bios, Make sure IRQ for vga is set!
agp or PCI video card set correct type in BIOS

3, in WINDOWS make sure there are no Exclamations or questmarks against devices in the System Properties/Device Manager

3, In System Properties/Device Manager check all and I mean ALL devices and their respective properties/resources to make sure that they are set 2 automatic, , it's a tick box,
especially in the system devices section

4, make sure that the autexec and config.sys don't have unecessary lines in them!

5, win98 andms force feed back ,, no probs here

have you enough diskspace for the texture cache of sdoe!

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Todesvogel
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posted 08-23- 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Todesvogel   Click Here to Email Todesvogel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, try this:

Get back into Display Properties (right-click on the desktop as before). Click on Settings tab, then click on the Advanced button. Click on the Performance tab. You should try moving the "Hardware acceleration" slider from Full to None in single steps, testing as you go. With the setting on None, all DirectX features are turned off.

Also make sure your Video Card BIOS is the latest that's available from Creative.

You could run the dxdiag.exe program as see what is reports.

Back when I did tech support, I knew all kinds of solutions. That was 18 months and 3000 miles ago, so my memory is off. I know there is something I'm fogetting.

You know what, I bet your problem is with your sound card. What kind of sound card do you have?

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Daniel Davis
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posted 09-06- 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Davis   Click Here to Email Daniel Davis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sound card = creative labs awe 64. Actually, the kicker to all this, is that all the same software and hardware worked fine with win95....it's just that when i went to 98 that it stopped working. Thanks to all for replies. I haven't checked in in about a week and a half. Will try everyone's suggestions and report in.

Dan

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Originally posted by Todesvogel:
Ok, try this:

Get back into Display Properties (right-click on the desktop as before). Click on Settings tab, then click on the Advanced button. Click on the Performance tab. You should try moving the "Hardware acceleration" slider from Full to None in single steps, testing as you go. With the setting on None, all DirectX features are turned off.

Also make sure your Video Card BIOS is the latest that's available from Creative.

You could run the dxdiag.exe program as see what is reports.

Back when I did tech support, I knew all kinds of solutions. That was 18 months and 3000 miles ago, so my memory is off. I know there is something I'm fogetting.

You know what, I bet your problem is with your sound card. What kind of sound card do you have?


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