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Author
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Topic: F-86F Saber -ALPHA- Release!!!!!!
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Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 10:16 AM
   
This project has taken me the better part of two months to get to this point. I entered this project with little real experience in object modeling or the unbelievable amount of effort that is required to make such a model! That said ... I'd like to thank DanW, Tailslide, Pang, SV and Zoycite for their cooperation and assistance while stumbling through this project of mine!**** NOTE .... THIS IS PURELY AN ALPHA RELEASE THERE IS MUCH THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CALL THIS A BETA OR FOR THAT MATTER A FINISHED PRODUCT!!!!! **** That said ... here is a list of things yet to be implemented or are in dire need of fixing: 1.) Flight model is 50% done at best ... It is horrendously over-powered. However the top-speed at altitude and the turn-speed are correct to specifications.
2.) The aircraft model is roughly 99% done ... there is a possibility that the I may remodel the gear-doors which will not affect the whole of the model.
3.) The cockpit model is about 97% done. Many of the textures are "works-in-progress" ... and as such will be receiving further detail.
4.) I have not modeled and as such not implemented the air-brakes yet, however they well be in the final model.
5.) There is a possibility I may model the flight control-stick.
5.) The low-detail-LODS have not been modeled and as would be expected, the model is not exactly "frame-rate-friendly".
6.) The shadows are there but suffer from the ol Z-buffer flikering on D3D vid-cards.
Things of note:
1.) The flight model has an interesting bug .... It you manage to get into a spin, There is a good possibility to enter an oddly "stable" back slide that is nearly impossible to recover from!
2.) I've included a hanger mission and three training missions Again ... remember is this is an ALPHA ... I've released it purely to share my current progress with the community. So please keep that in mind while critique in it!  THE QUALITY SKIN ON THIS AIRCRAFT IS THE PRODUCT OF ZOYCITE AND IS ALSO A "WORK IN PROGRESS".
NOTICE!!!! ... THERE IS NO SOFTWARE-RENDERING SUPPORT IMPLEMENTED YET! iF YOU DON'T HAVE A VIDEO CARD CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING 3D, IT WILL CAUSE YOUR GAME TO CDT!!!
The HTTP download URL is: http://zursfilepile.webjump.com/F86f_av1.zip HAVE FUN PEOPLE!  (feedback is appreciated)... [This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 08-04-2000).] IP: Logged |
Aladar
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 12:09 PM
Great JOB!!!!!!!! Isn't the engine a bit overpowered?? I went straight verticle at 200 mph for about 7 mins.[This message has been edited by Aladar (edited 08-04-2000).] IP: Logged |
Private Roger
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 12:11 PM
ZurLooking really god so far! I thought I'd fired up Mig Alley for a second, but I do believe your F86 looks better. PR=FC= IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 12:18 PM
..Aladar, (can't get over talking to an Iguanadon) "1.) Flight model is 50% done at best ... It is horrendously over-powered. However the top-speed at altitude and the turn-speed are correct to specifications." I think this cover that ...
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Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 12:21 PM
... PR,Well truth be told ... I used MA as apoint of reference ...
Funny how it's a more-current aircraft than our WWII or WWI birds ... yet it's even harder to find pics and flight-specific on it that our warbirds! IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 12:27 PM
Just a side note ...Zoycite provided me this scheme so I could release this ALPHA (I can't say that enough) ... DanW is in the process of working on the skin/scheme that will be included with the final release. This is in no way down-plays the effort Zoycite is putting into his scheme ... DanW was the first person I contacted in regards to doing a skin for this aircraft ... nothing more. (just thought I needed to clear that up) IP: Logged |
lfbpro
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 01:10 PM
very good work Zur!!!
i love this plane a lot txs very much.
BTW did you receive the skin i sent to you 2 or 3 weeks ago? i cya
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ArgonV
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 02:12 PM
Sweet!!!!! Getting it now! IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 02:52 PM
Ya know as nice as i "think" this aircraft looks ......There is just something missing? AHA! Sure could use a USAF era pilot! [hint..hint] ... I planned on doing one but quite frankly I have my hands full just with the aircraft ... Any volenteers? IP: Logged |
ArgonV
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 02:56 PM
A few 3d model helpfull suggestions since I own and have put together many a Sabre model (6 to be exact) The cockpit (when viewed from the front of the aircraft) buldges out too much. Also, the tail end of the plane is too fat. On your model, the underside of the tail section (when viewed from the side) buldges out too much thus causing the plane to appear fat. The rear end "tip" is also too big. It needs to be smaller. Only things I see first off. The paint scheme is awesome and I love what you did with the air intakes![This message has been edited by ArgonV (edited 08-04-2000).] IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 03:22 PM
It's really a treat getting to fly this after looking at them in the museums recently. The beginnings of the sim I wished Mig Alley was?? Maybe..IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 03:25 PM
...ArgonV,Thanks for the recommendations ... While making the model there were spots where I had to make "artistic descisions" for lack of data ... the canopy and the tail were a few of those spots. [This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 08-04-2000).] IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 04:00 PM
  More shots at: http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/screen_shots.asp IP: Logged |
ArgonV
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 04:02 PM
Zur, I'll be more than happy to send you some 3-way views and side views if you like.Tail, this baby is fun aint it! Kewl screen shots man! IP: Logged |
Pete Hawk
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 04:10 PM
Zur,It's gorgeous! For your first plane you really kicked butt! Congrats man IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 04:12 PM
(((BLUSH)))Well ... thanks guys! Truth be told, without YOU guys forging ahead ... NONE of this would be possible for non-modeling guys like myself! MAN Tail, those are some killer action shots! IP: Logged |
graymon
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 05:10 PM
PLEASE,will someone make a mig to kill......................................IP: Logged |
ArgonV
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 05:16 PM
Zur, just something I dug up that I had in storage...  IP: Logged |
rattlesnake
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 05:43 PM
The Chuck Yeager of SDOE.... Rattlesnake. WOW Zur! Its a damn rocketship. Looks mighty nice guys and was fun to play with. Just for kicks I decided how high I could get her. 100,115 ft with screen shots to prove it. On the first attempt I got around 50,000 ft and stalled it - what was strange was that I couldnt get the nose to turn back to the ground and dropped to the ground tail first no matter what I tried. I suppose it has something to do maybe with the airfoils or cog. Anyway - it was a hoot! Look forward to the finished plane - thanks for all the time you have put in!! ------------------
-=BAB=- Rattlesnake
Bad Ass Bulldogs
http://www.oldpostoffice.com/badass IP: Logged |
AGAS - 5
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 06:10 PM
Well done Zur !I'm supposed to be studying this weekend.....
but I think I might just break out my overalls and paint tin instead  Thankyou & Cheers, AGAS 5 IP: Logged |
Pete Hawk
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 06:21 PM
Do you realize what this means? I have to finish my MiG-15! IP: Logged |
tonysilveira
Cadet
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posted 08-04- 06:37 PM
With a big thanks for you !!!
Great job
I only try to made a good "Portuguese skin"
This plane here in Portugal are loved by all
the people!
the FAP "Portuguese Air Force" have good historial abouth F86.
2 years ago I start his historical presence at the FAP.
I send to you my docs and my fotos
if you want.
With my best regards IP: Logged |
CrossbowArcher
Pilot
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posted 08-04- 07:22 PM
NICE!
The F86 slips tail first as its engine is right on its axis. Compare to the ME262, which will flip back down when power is applied in the same situation IP: Logged |
AGAS - 5
Pilot
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posted 08-05- 04:51 AM
Man I luv this plane ......  (still some fine tuning to do...but should be up at my site in a few days.....oops, make that when the beta is released and/or the texture mapping is finalised ) Only Question so far is ....what's the recommended landing speed and flap setting? ...I keep snapping undercarriages and throughing wheels! Thanks again Zur Cheers, AGAS 5 [This message has been edited by AGAS - 5 (edited 08-05-2000).] [This message has been edited by AGAS - 5 (edited 08-05-2000).] IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-05- 08:51 AM
RE: Landing Speed ..."Right now" the landing speed is between 140 to 200 mph. You have to nurse the stall with the throttle and flare hard right before touchdown ... All with one notch of flap. ...All this may change as the FM progresses GLAD YA LIKE IT! [This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 08-05-2000).] [This message has been edited by Zurawski (edited 08-05-2000).] IP: Logged |
AGAS - 5
Pilot
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posted 08-05- 09:45 AM
Oh yes, I do like it .....muhahahaha.....  Now I've got this out of my system I'd better get onto those assignments ...now how many did I have to do tomorrow ...was that 2 or 3 ....are well, I'll just do what the crows do ....FARCK, FARCK, FARCK (Aussie humor there ) Cheers, AGAS 5 IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
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posted 08-05- 10:49 PM
SPanky here... Is it just me or does it like to shimmy side to side all the time? also i didn't see a shadow so i coudln't tell how close i was to the ground from the outside. Not complaining, just wondering.
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Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-05- 11:01 PM
... Spanky,Yeah she "shimmys" at times ... And the shadow is in fact a problem I hope to have fixed by the BETA release ... Truth be told ... I think I stumbled upon the crux of my FM problems (the shimmy being one of'm) ... When I imported the model into OPS, I used the Me262 ... Upon import, the wingtips were rotated out roughly 15-degrees. Instead of moving the parts in AC3D, I simply rotated the parts on OPS ... In hindsight this was bad because the matrix for the airfoil was also rotated ... ... SO as far as FS:SDOE is concerned ... my wings airfoils are not swept back ... but either parallel or possibly swept forward a bit. This could easily explain why the aircraft exhibits its odd FM behavior. PROBLEM for me is ... to honestly correct this, I would have re-import the wings if not the entire model! (I don't honestly charish this thought) ... I assure you I'll not be releasing a BETA until I have this solved in one respect or another ... IP: Logged |
Spanky the Mad Dog
Pilot
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posted 08-06- 02:16 AM
Spanky here... Yep that would do it LOL. Good luck getting it figured out. Sounds like tons of fun.
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AGAS - 5
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 06:15 AM
Hey Zur,got them landings down pat now...thanks mate and by the way...did ya notice the cannon ports on my Sabre pic above ? Haven't changed the guns yet, but I might have a tinker with it and let you know of the results (ie I will not release it as a mod). oh, I did get those assignments done (just !) Cheers, AGAS 5 IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 07:30 AM
...AGAS-5,I'd wait till I released the next version ... I fugured people might do as such (model paint jobs after later or earlier versions).. So I've made dual and six-pack cannon load-outs for just such an occation! If you want to continue you great paint jobs, I have the dual cannons mounted in the mid-pair of gun-ports ... Glad you nail'm! (the landings and your exams) IP: Logged |
Mk10 225th
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 08:45 AM
Hey Zoy, that's a really cool skin!------------------
Mk10 Maj=225th= IP: Logged |
lfbpro
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 10:14 AM
HI Zur!
i tried more than 10 times to contact u by ICQ and you never respond to me,same concerning my mails and same concerning my skin for your beautifull f86.
what i have to do for warning your eyes?
tell me it's becoming really hard for my nerves beleive me!!!!!!!!------------------
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Whirlwind
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 10:34 AM
ArgonV, nice pictures.
I haven't gotten the 86 as of yet, but it looks good! We just need the plane whose tail is poking up from the bottom of ArgonV's picture next If I weren't engaged in another plane, I'd do it.
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Pachy
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 03:35 PM
Lfbpro's skin (in progress)
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Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 03:46 PM
... lfbpro,So sorry about the mis-communication ... seems our ICq and my home ISP are not cooperating ... Try my work email dcz@execpc.com. Your skin is looking great! (As it did before) What's your question/problem? ... IP: Logged |
AGAS - 5
Pilot
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posted 08-07- 05:33 PM
Zur, yep I'll wait and yep the cannon ports are on the middle pair (just in case, they were 30 mm cannons )lbfpro, man that looks nice Cheers, AGAS 5 IP: Logged |
lfbpro
Pilot
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posted 08-08- 05:38 PM
Hi Zur,no more pb just happy to re-connect w/u at least.
i actualy working on my texture from scratch i found it too blue and i add some structure marks and age's marks too.
i can't place the underwing USAF correctly is it a known bug?------------------
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Think540
Cadet
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posted 08-09- 03:42 PM
Can anyone tell me how to install this game?????? I unzipped all the files to a new folder and when I open the folder all i see is MEDIA and the READ-ME... I have tried clicking on TAKEOFF and LANDING but they dont work, can anyone help me??  IP: Logged |
Zurawski
Pilot
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posted 08-09- 04:20 PM
...Think, (man I know there is a joke here some where) After extracting, copy it into your Fighter Squardon folder (where ever that may reside).. If you do this correctly you will get a prompt telling you there is a folder called media that already exists. Would you like to copy over it. (Go ahead am do it ... there is nothing in the F-86 files that will step on anything else) After that, you should be read'n raring to go! IP: Logged |
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