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mposis Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:20 AM My answer is yes. ------------------ IP: Logged
Kraftwerk Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:21 AM Hell yeah. IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:22 AM Yes but... If mposis says no more planes, then I say maybe not [This message has been edited by Pachy (edited 07-27-2000).] IP: Logged
CrossbowArcher Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:40 AM yes IP: Logged
jedi Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:41 AM Hehe it's "good enough" to play NOW, but it WON'T be good enough to play if it doesn't get better??? I'll still play. Might even make another plane sometime... ------------------ --jedi-- IP: Logged
wakeup tailgunner Pilot	posted 07-27- 09:41 AM I'll still be playing Unless B17 II is released with planes you can add on, New terrain, oh and WW1 support........ground units....big ships.. ha ha ha B17 II RELEASED........ha ha ha do they give discounts for pensioners? IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 07-27- 09:57 AM As Jedi rightly points out, the question is not "is it good enough now?" but "Will it be in the near future". B17-II and to a greater extent IL-2 (and if I knew more about it I might also include Rowan's Battle of Britain) are very promising sims. All promise features that are either broken in SDOE or missing. Without patches that can be used online SDOE will surely die. With patches who knows how long in could continue. As an online sim it has a lot in it's favour, repair what doesn't work and add a few important features (notably engine damage) and we will have a very potent on-line dogfighting sim. ------------------ Yardstick painted this IP: Logged
SchaF Pilot	posted 07-27- 09:58 AM well yes.. hope more planes come.. (they droppped down 1 by 1 :) ------------------ SchaF bailed out! ;) IP: Logged
semmern Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:03 AM I'll play it until I find a better sim with a better user community. Regarding the last thing, I'll then be playing SDOE a loooooong time! IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:43 AM semmern brings up an interesting point. Who would be willing to close down this board in exchange for "the patch"? i.e. What's the more important of the two? Just trying to put things in perspective. IP: Logged
Mk10 225th Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:45 AM Yard, I think you may have hit on a point here, that this is a completely different game online that it is offline. Offline you don't have all the bugs and dt's that online offers. If you don't fly the game online, a lot, then you probably wonder what all this hub-bub is about, and think, "Well sure, I'll play this game a lot. Neat planes, etc." If you fly online, a lot, you probably think, "Jesus wept, I can't keep up with this crashing, buggy stuff. Wonder if IL-2 or B-17 II are going to be out before next Spring?" Mk10 Maj=225th= IP: Logged
Zurawski Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:45 AM As Yoda would say ... Stay I will! FSSDOE has a sort of cult following ... There are those that simply enjoy making models and seeing then in the game. I await B17-II and IL-2 with great antisipation ... however I have no intention to ever leave the FS community for another simulation. As a genre, simulations NEED communities to embrace ALL simulations good and bad in order for the genre to survive. I'll always be here in one form or another! IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:59 AM I agree entirely Zur, but I create textures and cockpits in SDOE primarily so that I can use them. What I don't want to find is that the code base stagnates and I am wasting my time working on a sim that no longer has an on-line following. ------------------ Yardstick painted this IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 07-27- 11:47 AM I'll play this sim to the end! IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 07-27- 12:00 PM Even after the release of B17II and Rowan's BoB, I will be here, patch or not. Even if there are no new planes. The only thing that might stop me is if the technonlogy advances to where no one can fly this any more, but I will stick around even if only us greybeards are left.. ------------------ nealg=FC= IP: Logged
Jeeves Pilot	posted 07-27- 12:28 PM I always said I would be the last one playing this game...although I may have to fight a few of you off for that honor I may just keep this old dinosaur computer around so I can play it when I am retired Sure I'm looking forward to B-17II, Il-2, and CFS2...but SDOE was my first and you always have that special attachment to your first ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! IP: Logged
MrBlob Pilot	posted 07-27- 12:43 PM I hope to stay, but as most would say you only stay if it offers what you want. I think that it is a must that the patch be developed to keep people....especially if new sim offer more..... It's like a corner shop saying i'll be here forever...never changing when a supermarket opens down the road with more to offer. Was that a silly example? Well there you go : - ) I'll stay, at least for the next year ------------------ "MrBlob is Currently Working on: The BE2c, Sopwith pup and Lysander" Check out my WW1 Website for Fighter tactics and History: www.MrBlob.Freeserve.Co.uk/doattt IP: Logged
Commando Pilot	posted 07-27- 12:44 PM Yes is my answer, the patch will be worth the wait I hope, but without it the community has added Nations, terrains (hurry up with Pacific Nat,very nice pics lol), Mistals, glide bombs, new planes, WW1, Ships, new cockpits, improved FM's DM's etc etc etc . What more do you need (no dont answer that one). Haven't bought another PC game except for Panzer Elite (go to their Web page, Tank sims are going the same way as WW2 flight sims, and they are waiting for a patch too)and don't intend to buy another for a long time yet. B17 II will be good but with most new games you need a cutting edge PC to get its full potential, I will upgrade later this year to get SDOE running at its best, and then not upgrade until another sim comes out that has good reviews and has a community as good as this one. A long wait I think. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 07-27- 01:24 PM I think yes ! I started to play online last week or so, ok - some CTD's here and there, but most of the time it was fun. I think it does not depend on the patch if I'll play it in the future (when i.e. IL-2 is out, which - sorry - will be better in most points), it depends which addons the community will give out - new planes, better DM/FM, new terrains!, better missions, more ground units etc. OP is so powerfull even without a patch, we could add nearly anything !! A patch would make it perfect of course... LK IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 07-27- 02:21 PM Spanky here... Well I don't play now so a patch not comming out won't effect me much. On the other hand a patch coming out would probly intice me to play again. I don't play online Nor Offline, I just check in on the forum, looking for a patch or a new plane to try. IP: Logged
Zurawski Pilot	posted 07-27- 03:14 PM I just don't understand the absolute horror of online problems ... Sure I've seen my share of CDTs and oddities ... However I've never experiance anything that would cause me to to chuck my CD into the dust bin and remove my name from the forum. But I guess everyone has their limits. Sure online problems are an irritant ... show me another online game that doesn't have it's share of quirks! IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 07-27- 03:28 PM Openplane as it is now doesn't allow for accurate FM's.. it's soo close but without being able to specify horsepower at altitude and compressibility it's never going to be a great ACM sim. Given the current state of the betas I don't think there will ever be a patch suitable for online play. The reason I stick around is the great people here, I hope when it comes time to move on I'll be seeing most of you online guys still. In the meantime let's enjoy what we've got ! TS IP: Logged
Smokey Pilot	posted 07-27- 06:27 PM I been here too long to leave. I don't play online anymore because, frankly, the setup is too complicated. I've been hoping it would settle down into a standard patch which would make everyone compatable. So far this hasn't happened. I check this board every day and look forward to the posts from the community. IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 07-27- 06:30 PM In a word? Yes. There is so much stuff that hasnt been done yet that it is exciting to watch. Its also fun to see how people make the engine do things it wasnt supposed to do.... I do agree with Tailslides last post though. This sim engine is Sooooooooooooo close (need water landings too... ) and somethines thats frustrating... The other thing? The people of course.... ------------------ Snickers =FC= [This message has been edited by Snickers (edited 07-27-2000).] IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 07-27- 06:42 PM I'll still be here. I've been hooked since A-10 Cuba! by these seems from Parsoft/Inertia and so far, nothing has come close to the fun I've had. I even loaded up CFS yesterday to see if maybe I wasn't fair in my dislike of it, but it AGAIN was quickly deleted. It's just NOT fun. SDOE is fantastic and in time (hopefully) will continue to get better and get it's weakpoints fixed to keep everybody happy. It's a real tinkering man's sim, I think that's what has kept me interested for so long and will continue to do so. IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 07-27- 07:10 PM Double post [This message has been edited by Yardstick (edited 07-28-2000).] IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 07-27- 07:13 PM The things that really frustrate me about online play are the damage packet loss and bomb bugs. Add in the current limitaions of the damage model and you my be able to see my point. However if it was that bad I wouldn't keep comming back for more ------------------ Yardstick painted this IP: Logged
spin Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:28 PM Stop playing? Don't think so. Then again maybe I'll decide Jane's is better - not. By the way - I find more desktops and online problems with Jane's than I do with SDOE - plus noone flies missions - it's strictly dogfighting - boring. SDOE isn't perfect but it's one hell of a sim. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:35 PM I think if there were to be no more official patches, then I'd still be in SDOE.. ofcourse I would, but I'd also be lookin for a little team to crack the hell outta the code, fix it, improve it.. whatever.. and I'll post it on my website for anyone to use for no charge and as an unofficial patch, just the way MH posts them.. what, that would upset someone at inertia.. so what, sue me, I'm broke anyway. (or give me a job to shut me up.. LOL) and don't forget.. SDOP is on it's way now (our version), and with the info I'm building up on terrains, well, I'll be honest, we can add whatever terrain we want.. I don't see what more I could ask for other than a higher FPS oh, and I mean that most seriously. IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:38 PM oh, myself I'd rather see SDOE online as IP based rather than net based, I think it could work out alot better, and after all, it's tried and tested in most major online games IP: Logged
Mirthain Pilot	posted 07-27- 08:39 PM I have to say, this sim is like the Lucasarts SWOTL. Not everyone liked it, but those that did made it more than what the designers even thought it could be. I will stay and make sure Jeeve's isn't alone here... Heheheh Even with the bugs, I love this sim. Online is a joy to play. We have some fine pilots and a great community. One thing that I have found is how immersive the game is when playing it. You can't just jump in and start shooting people down. You have to actually LEARN your plane. Know what it can do and what it can't do. Know when the spin is going to hit, how well your plane will take before falling apart on you.... Our FM's and DM's aren't perfect, but ya know what? They are enough to keep us all coming back for more. Mirthain=FC= IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 07-27- 10:44 PM My boss just gave me SWOTL on CD to play. I told him it'd been years since I've played it and he said "oh, here, take it home and load it up." Pretty cool of him, gonna play it some tonight. I used to play it a lot. I'm amazed at all the user stuff out there for it. It's such an old game but has a very loyal following to this day. IP: Logged
Private Roger Pilot	posted 07-28- 06:07 AM I started working under the assumption 6 months ago that there would never be another patch from MH & Co. And I have to say, I've been much happier since. I'm as loyal as a dog, but if a new sim came out that had the features I wanted, and did things better than SDOE, I'd be gone faster than you could say IL-2 Sturmovik. The thing is, where would I go? Not later, but now? WWII Fighters? Please! What do they get online....5-6 players, in dogfight only? Nope, not for me. How about EAW? Nah, as nice of a game as it is, It never gives me a feeling that I have flown an aircraft as much as guided a plane on rails. Plus it doesn't allow mission building, something I have grown to love. Warbirds? Never have like pay to play, and I hate that Red, Green, Blue country thing. What is the Blue countries National Anthem again? Aces High? Maybe that should be called Prices High! Plus it suffers from the same Bizzaro world, any plane can be flown for any country thing, that Warbirds has. What's that leave me with? You got it! SDOE! I guess it just scatches my flight sim itch better than the others. When it stops doing that, or someone makes one that does it better, then...well, lets wait and see. PR=FC= IP: Logged
EXCITER Cadet	posted 07-28- 04:31 PM Hell yes, this game has so much!,It will have a permenant burnt spot on my HD! I dont fly much online (not this sim), because of previous things listed above (bombs not registering, damage etc. and only deathmatch and co-op etc.) But catch me at home at any givin time, and you will see a frazzled guy playing mission after mission! With a large pizza and a case of brew next to him. IP: Logged
Gustang Cadet	posted 07-28- 05:12 PM We may stray... but never too far! IP: Logged
Nat Pilot	posted 07-28- 07:17 PM am I missing something here, is there another way of fighting other than deathmatch or co-op.. I thought one meant killing everyone regardless, and the other means having sides.. one being the opposite of the other.. is there any other way? IP: Logged
JV44_Pye Cadet	posted 07-30- 11:17 AM Since Feb last year when I randomly walked in a shop and randomly bought one of the few flight sims on the shelf, I've not stopped playing this game,, it's been online all the time! against all of you!!!!!!! or with all of you! I love this sims and You have made it better! If a patent has a limited life so should copyright! why should copyright hold up evolution of the best most flexible of sims, release the code,,, I can't program for the life of me but i'm sure one of You can! What to they gain from withholding it! I can understand that a patch is not commercial; after the release of 1.5 patch the game was forgotten by the people that made their money! some developing companies release patches to keep there customer base happy, well some strange strategy the makers of sdoe have; Of course I want to keep playing.........but its not a promise, and so is buying another activision game. (Owner of mechwarrior 1 2 3) Are we just moaning in this lobby or should we be bombarding e-mails to activision screaming for a patch and awaken them from ignoring us! expecially while we have High number of pilots; Look at the 1.50 patch on www.activision.com , they are so proud to show this one patch,, but we know it's sad only 1 authorised official patch released! :-) I feel better now! ------------------ JV44_Pye Jagdverband 44 IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 07-31- 03:49 AM The EAW camp (on Combatsim.com's forum) are just now getting into editing 3DZ files for EAW. They are all very excited to see a new Zero someone hexedited into existance. Talk about painful! I really don't get it though, and I agree 100% with PR, that game flys like the planes are on rails. I get no fun from it whatsoever. For just about everyday since November 1998 when I got that first SDOE beta copy, I've flown this sim, to this day. Thats going on 2 years straight! That says a heck of a lot for Parsoft. I feel this minute just as excited about it as I did way back then. Just putting new planes into the game, the new terrains, the ground objects and so forth just keeps me coming back for more. But even more so is the great feeling of flight. It's gonna take one heck of a sim to out do this one. IP: Logged
CrossbowArcher Pilot	posted 07-31- 07:14 AM I really like the full 3D environment of SDOE as 2D panels are unrealistic, I don't think there are any other flight sims that have damage rendering as good as SDOE's. IP: Logged
Joseph Cotton Pilot	posted 07-31- 11:31 AM quote: Originally posted by Pete Hawk: The EAW camp (on Combatsim.com's forum) are just now getting into editing 3DZ files for EAW. They are all very excited to see a new Zero someone hexedited into existance. Talk about painful! I really don't get it though, and I agree 100% with PR, that game flys like the planes are on rails. I get no fun from it whatsoever. Actually this zero is the PAW Zero that has been updated with EAW features which PAW did not have, a transparent cockpit and a propellor effect. Before now this hadn't been done, that is why people were "excited" as you put it. That was one (and only) model that was initially unportable from PAW because it's wings were not in the file correctly. A 3DZ file editor is in the works so the hex editing will hopefully soon be mostly unnecasary. As for the planes "flying on rails" were you using the flight models from the straight patched v1.2 or did you get the improved flight models of ECAOnline4.1 or to a lesser accuracy degree ECACP3.3? It's not as detailed as SDOE in some aspects but SDOE can't do some things EAW does well, campaigns, huge dogfights/intercepts. Joseph Cotton EAW/SDOE camper [This message has been edited by Joseph Cotton (edited 07-31-2000).] IP: Logged

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