posted 07-25- 11:43 AM            

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Air-France today lost 1 of the 13 Concorde super Jet liners. It appears to have had an engine fire shortly after takeoff (5km) and has hit a local hotel building.

My thoughts are with the families.

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posted 07-25- 12:08 PM               

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NO KIDDIN??? That's too goddamn sad! The Concorde had an unblemished safety record, 22 years in service with no crashes, only one accident. (A Concorde lost half its tail due to weakness in the tail after repairs. The pilot landed it)

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posted 07-25- 12:31 PM               

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Flight AF4590 crashed 2 minutes after takeoff from Roissy-CDG, apparently with a left engine on fire. All 100 passengers and 9 crew members were killed plus at least 4 persons in the hotel.

This being a special flight scheduled for a German tour operator, most vicitims are German.

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posted 07-25- 12:49 PM               

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well this is so sadly..
pour people..
rest in peace

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posted 07-25- 01:33 PM               

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2 incidents in fact. the the other was a rough landing and the the tyres blew.

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posted 07-25- 01:37 PM               

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Apparently one of the engines flamed out shortly after take-off and the pilot tried to turn back to land at the airport.

Some guy actually had a handi-cam on hand and managed to film the fire shortly after the crash. From the footage and the accounts of the eye-witnesses, it was a literal Hell on earth.

This is just terrible but the first thing I thing that popped into my head when I heard the details of the crash was how McUdden died.

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posted 07-25- 01:45 PM               

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who is mcudden? pilot of that plane?
so..everythign happend when they landed? the plane chrashed and was caught in fire? that's even more sad..and nobody survived..jesus..

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posted 07-25- 03:15 PM               

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From what they were saying on the news one of the left engines went out and may have taken out the engine beside it. The plane was trailing fire and went into a roll to the left. The engines got louder as though the pilot was applying more power and the plane stalled and backslid, crashing steeply into the hotel/ground.

Very tragic

TS

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posted 07-25- 03:21 PM               

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I *think* that this is the right URL:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/

Under the world section, they have an inflight picture and a story on the crash. They were some well to do Germans.

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posted 07-25- 03:42 PM               

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but did you also know that not 3 days ago British Airways had a Concord grounded due to lagrge cracks in the rear of the wings, atleast 6 other BA Concords have these cracks, but have been passed as safe to fly.. not 2 days after this news hits the headlines.. Air France lose one.

My deepest condolances to the families and friends of everyone involved.

~Nat~

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posted 07-25- 03:56 PM               

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After the crash, Air France grounded all of its Concordes pending the results of the investigation into the crash.

During the interviews of the witnesses, it just seemed bloody awful.

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posted 07-26- 04:16 AM               

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Well, I wouldn't call what happened to the engines a 'Flame-out.' 30 meters of flames behind the engines!!! Damn! It aint often something wrong happens to a Concorde, and esp. not the Olympus engines. Those are the best examples of dependable, solid engineering available today.

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posted 07-26- 04:23 AM               

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It's catastrophic engine failure. Flameout definitely isn't the proper term here. I've had flameouts on the C-5 but never had an engine come apart like that. When a flameout occurs it's like a candle being blown out, you loose the flame all together. No more power but sometimes a simple restart will get you up and running again. From that pic with the fire coming out the back that sucker must have came apart and the fuel that was pooring into it turned into a huge blow torch.

It is sad though. My parents took an around the world Concorde trip not too long ago. It lasted several weeks as they hopped from location to location, stopping for a few days here and there. I'm very grateful they didn't run into problems on that plane.

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posted 07-26- 10:15 AM               

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posted 07-26- 11:07 AM               

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lets be right, thats a fuel leak and no doubt, whatever caused it that baby is pumping avgas into that fire at a far rate.. even if they had've managed to stop on the runway I really do doubt that anyone would have been saved on the aircraft, more likely it would have exploded, that being said, I don't agree with the V1 policy in this instance, that aircraft should never have been allowed to take off regardless of it's ground speed.. rather have the gear ripped out and it belly down off the end of the runway, than have a flaming fireball going christ knows where. They were lucky that only 4 were killed on the ground, it could have been much worse

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posted 07-26- 11:58 AM               

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I've worked on this theory of mine: Even tho the Concordes were maintained by the best mechs available and kept in mint condition, nothing can stop them (the Concordes AND the mechs) from getting old. Might have been that the fuel tanks cracked because of age, and fuel+heat=roast beef, to say it the grotesque way!

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posted 07-26- 12:04 PM               

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My dad (which was a F-4 Phantom II pilot, and sometimes investigated crashes) He said that he would bet 10$ (figure of speech) that one of the engines on the right side, threw some fan blades into the engine next to it, in the proccess cutting a fuel line.

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