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Nat
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posted 07-18- 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, this is for UK guys, I know we've seen it maney maney times.. but I can't help watchng it again, if you're at the puter right now.. GET AWAY FROM IT!!! Memphis Belle is on Channel 5!

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Private Roger
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posted 07-18- 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Private Roger   Click Here to Email Private Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This movie gets me every time. The last part when the guys watching as the planes come in, and after awhile they all hang their heads and turn to leave, but the dog's ears perk up.....then you see the Belle, all shot up.....gets me even talking about it.


Great Movie!


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Mr Sparklets
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posted 07-18- 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr Sparklets   Click Here to Email Mr Sparklets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But doesn't it piss you off that it is so false? I always wonder what the real crew made of it, being fictionalised like that - as cowards, liars, furniture salesmen, etc.? And the real plane came back all intact.

I wish they'd made it, but not perverted the memory of the real plane.

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Mk10 225th
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posted 07-18- 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mk10 225th   Click Here to Email Mk10 225th     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nat, for God's sake, please start posting this stuff, IN ADVANCE, in times zones moronic Americans, ex-c-u-u-u-s-e me, Moronic Citiziens of the United States can UNDERSTAND!

Heh-heh, you're right bud. That is one cool flick. Even my wife, who HATES to hear about WWII aviation and my flying online, actually sat through that movie, and I dare say, even found it entertaining.

Oh, and by the by, thanks for all you do dude. Hope to see you in the war soon. I'll be out for two weeks, but should be able to play the next three in a row if the Gods smile.

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Private Roger
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posted 07-18- 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Private Roger   Click Here to Email Private Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, it doesn't "piss me off". I saw, and have seen the movie many times and never once did I expect to see a documentry on the real Memphis Belle. I knew that artistic license would be used, that the crew would be an amalgom of alot of different boys that flew during the war.

I have no idea what the real crew of the Belle thought of the movie. I would be guessing, but wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them were pleased that people had not forgotten about the sacrifice all the men and women who served during the War made.

This movie while not historically accurate, at least helped, if only for awhile, to bring this sacrifice to the forefront of our minds. Who knows how many conversations were had during, and after this movie, as sons asked fathers "Did that really happen?..."Did alot of people die?"...."Is that what Grand Dad did in the War?"...etc. I think any thing that reminds us to speak to our sons and daughters about the War, sons and daughters whose only knowledge of the war comes from what they learn in history class, I think anything that explains to them alittle of the personal sacrifices made....well, I think that's a good thing.

Of course, I could be wrong.


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Jeeves
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posted 07-18- 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>I always wonder what the real crew made of it, being fictionalised like that - as cowards, liars, furniture salesmen, etc.? And the real plane came back all intact.

Well-- if you ever have the pleasure of meeting the real pilot-- Mr. Robert Morgan-- as I have...you may see stacks of posters that you can choose from to have him sign (It cost me $15 and was worth every penny!)

One of these posters shows some of the original crew posing with the cast from the movie...now while it may have been publicity- the fact that he so prominently displays them even today tells me he doesn't mind too much.

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Jerry
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posted 07-18- 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't we Yanks all scream bloody murder like our Brit cousins do because Hollywood made a war movie that wasn't accurate? (See the War Room threads for details).

You see Brit's.....it happens to us too! It's just Hollywood.

P.S. IMO the total inaccuracies in the Memphis Belle movie ruined it. They didn't even use the crew's real names! If the plane could sue they would have changed that name too!

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Mighty
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posted 07-18- 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mighty   Click Here to Email Mighty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought the movie was silly and pretty simple. Typical Hollywierd fluff.

I saw a "Making of..." about the time the movie came out. I remember the pilot saying something along the lines of, "I'm definately not a straight arrow like Matthew Modine played." He was grinning as he said it. I got the impression that they realized it was going to be fluff and had decided they'd just enjoy the extra attention.

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Private Roger
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posted 07-18- 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Private Roger   Click Here to Email Private Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mighty

Possibly the film makers were trying to make a movie that appealed to a wider audience than just the discriminating guys at forums like this contain.

Maybe if they had included a flying Cow you wouldn't have found it so fluffy.

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Dole
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posted 07-18- 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dole   Click Here to Email Dole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why can't people differentiate between Entertainment and a documentary?

Why can't people enjoy Historical Fiction? And not say "Damn hollywood always spreading lies!" No they aren't, they're spreading entertainment. Truth doesn't sell to the 15-30 crowd @ 8 dollars a ticket. Must have a hero. Must be "one of us." And they must come through in midst of a great struggle. (The majority of) People wouldn't take their dates to go see an airplane fly to france and come back without a scratch.

And off on a point that always gets me...
"Blah Blah Blah U-571, Blah Blah Blah brits!"
The movie was created for the American market. We dont wanna watch a bunch of limey bastards that speak funny, be heroes, we wanna see Americans! ROAR!

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Nat
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posted 07-19- 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dole, I think the main thing for myself personaly, is if Hollywood or anyone else wants to make a movie about an event that actually took place, then it should be as factual as possible, I think we all expect some poetic licence in them though, and although I don't know the actuul events etc surrounding the Belle, it is a good film that doesn't really show anyone in it in a bad light... and unlike U571, the Belle wasn't a British bomber and crew saving the day though.. ::hint::

I think movies about actual events should not alter historical facts to suit a larger (usualy US)audience, but should be allowed a little leeway to make it "prettier" for the general public

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ArgonV
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posted 07-19- 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ArgonV   Click Here to Email ArgonV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why cant we just all sit and watch the movie peacefully? "Nat, pass the popcorn. My bowl is running low."

I actually bought the movie a long while back, so no need for me to watch it on T.V.

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Dole
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posted 07-19- 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dole   Click Here to Email Dole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the DVD of the movie, one of my favorite movies. Nothing beats widescreen

What's wrong with creating a story based on Historical events? I watch movies to be entertained. I don't believe any movie coming out of Hollywood is labelled as "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED!" As a matter of fact, on the back of the Memphis Belle box: "Matthew Modine and Eric Stoltz head the dynamic cast of Memphis Belle, an adventure inspired by true World War II heroics."

Inspired!

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I think movies about actual events should not alter historical facts to suit a larger (usualy US)audience, but should be allowed a little leeway to make it "prettier" for the general public

Those are called Documentaries, I watch the History Channel to see that, not go pay 8 dollars to sit in an uncomfortable seat

... what am I arguing about again?

I need to take a sedative :>

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Nat
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posted 07-19- 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, I know, it's a fine line deciding what you should and shouldn't change about historical facts just to make it more entertaining.. but like I said, I like Memphis Belle, and even if it's altered to make it a bigger seller I don't think there was any harm done, but I know they have done harm by changing things to suit in the past, thats what bugs me

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Mighty
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posted 07-19- 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mighty   Click Here to Email Mighty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a personal preference thing. The movie's producers made a decision on what kind of story they wanted to shoot.

For an example of a popular movie based on a real event that made reasonable use of artistic liscense, I'd put forth Apollo 13. While I didn't like how they portrayed Swigert as nearly incompetent, (he was very competent) I thought the movie did a good job of accurately portraying some of the important hurdles they had to overcome. It was simplified, and they left some bits out, but overall it was very close to the truth.

Maybe Memphis Belle wasn't the best subject for the kind of movie they wanted to shoot. About the only thing they retained was the name of the plane and its crew. Everything else was fiction. Why not base the story on a different incident?

It seems to me they could have told a more gripping story about one of the other aircraft in the Belle's final raid. We as the audience would know the Belle was going to make. But how about these other guys?

Just my minuscule opinion. The movie did well at the box office, so I guess they met their goals. On Mighty's Brother's Total Movie Value Scale, I give it Rental with Dinner (equivalent to 3 1/2 stars out of five.) Generally fun, but a weak portayal of WW II air combat over Europe.

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