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bomber
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posted 06-24- 01:53 PM
   
The gun debate. I would like to here from all of you on this subject if you have the time. http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/fgun.html IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 06-24- 02:09 PM
He's not up on his Russian planes anyways:"Yakovlev Yak-3
One ShVAK cannon mounted between the engine banks, with 120 rounds. One Berezin UB in the forward fuselage decking, with 250 rounds. " IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 06-24- 02:16 PM
The .50cal was sufficient. I read somewhere though that there was a big move to develop higher muzzle velocities since that would lead to a much higher hit/miss ratio.BTW, I have the stats for all of these guns in the units that openplane uses here, plus the Obhits for each. Notive that the Browning .50cal is about 6 times more powerful than the .303cal. If anyone wants to copy that page to their own site feel free, so we can maintain consistency in the loadouts. [This message has been edited by Falck (edited 06-24-2000).] IP: Logged |
bomber
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posted 06-24- 02:24 PM
Falck the reason I posted this is because I cannot wade through this stuff hehehe. In laymans terms what does all this mean.[This message has been edited by bomber (edited 06-24-2000).] IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 06-24- 02:38 PM
The charts they provide give a good idea of the energy that a round has. Using SDOE's round energy equation I made the chart above. Obhits is a unit of damage that openplane uses. If a wing detaches on 16 obhits then it will take about 4 hits from the .50cal to detach it.IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 06-24- 03:13 PM
Tried posting a chart of guns and cannons with MV,weight, shaw damage values, etc but UBB does strange things with tables.
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Tailslide
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posted 06-24- 03:15 PM
Hoi! UBB doesnt like tables eh?
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Jaguar
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posted 06-24- 03:53 PM
Works fine for me....
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Cheers!
Jaguar
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Falck
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posted 06-24- 04:11 PM
well that didnt work.[This message has been edited by Falck (edited 06-24-2000).] IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 06-24- 04:13 PM
Well damn excel for making the ugliest, most bloated code for a table possible.I'd cut and paste mine here but its all fouled up. IP: Logged |
Jaguar
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posted 06-24- 04:18 PM
lol, I hear that.If it's not too much work, you could always copy the code from my post, then fill in the squares manualy. IP: Logged |
Falck
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posted 06-24- 05:44 PM
uhh..that table is pretty big.
Too much work when someone can just click on that link  IP: Logged |
Tailslide
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posted 06-24- 07:06 PM
OK here goes one more try, its a different table than the one you linked to it has more info. With big tables UBB adds white space to the beginning.
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
FR |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.5
x 54 ( 9.6 g) |
Darne |
850 |
3.5 |
0.399 |
28.3 |
FR |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.5
x 54 (10.0 g) |
MAC
1934 |
750 |
2.8 |
0.353 |
12.5 |
FR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110 (129 g) |
HS.404 |
880 |
49.9 |
4.550 |
11.7 |
FR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110RB (129 g) |
HS.9 |
820 |
43.4 |
4.550 |
6.7 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
GB |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 56R (11.3 g) |
Browning
.303 |
745 |
3.1 |
0.399 |
19.0 |
GB |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110 (130 g) |
Hispano
Mk.II |
880 |
50.3 |
4.586 |
10.0 |
GB |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110 (130 g) |
Hispano
Mk.V |
840 |
45.9 |
4.586 |
12.5 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
GR |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.92
x 57 (10.0 g) |
MG
17 |
790 |
3.1 |
0.353 |
18.3 |
GR |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.92
x 57 (10.0 g) |
MG
81 |
730 |
2.7 |
0.353 |
25.0 |
GR |
Medium
Machine Gun |
13
x 64B (34.6 g) |
MG
131 |
730 |
9.2 |
1.220 |
15.0 |
GR |
Medium
Machine Gun |
15
x 96 (57 g) |
MG
151 |
960 |
26.6 |
2.011 |
11.7 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 82 (115 g) |
MG
151/20 |
710 |
29.0 |
4.057 |
12.3 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 82 ( 92 g) |
MG
151/20 |
800 |
29.4 |
3.245 |
12.3 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 138B (134 g) |
MG
c/30L |
950 |
60.5 |
4.727 |
5.8 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 80RB (134 g) |
MG-FF |
600 |
24.1 |
4.727 |
8.7 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 80RB ( 92 g) |
MG-FF/M |
690 |
21.9 |
3.245 |
8.7 |
GR |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 80RB (115 g) |
MG-FF/M |
585 |
19.7 |
4.057 |
8.7 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
50
x 419R (1540 g) |
BK
5 |
920 |
651.7 |
54.322 |
0.8 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 184B (330 g) |
MK
101 |
920 |
139.7 |
11.640 |
4.2 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 184B (330 g) |
MK
103 |
860 |
122.0 |
11.640 |
7.0 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 90RB (312 g) |
MK
108 |
505 |
39.8 |
11.005 |
10.0 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
55
x 175RB (1045 g) |
MK
112 |
595 |
185.0 |
36.861 |
5.0 |
GR |
Heavy
Cannon |
50
x 419R (1540 g) |
MK
214 A |
920 |
651.7 |
54.322 |
2.7 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
IT |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 56R (10.1 g) |
Breda-SAFAT |
712 |
2.6 |
0.356 |
13.3 |
IT |
Medium
Machine Gun |
12.7
x 81SR (36.7 g) |
Breda-SAFAT |
760 |
10.6 |
1.295 |
11.7 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.92
x 57 (11.5 g) |
Type
1 |
750 |
3.2 |
0.406 |
16.7 |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 58SR (10.5 g) |
Type
89 fixed |
750 |
3.0 |
0.370 |
15.0 |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 58SR (10.5 g) |
Type
89 flexible |
750 |
3.0 |
0.370 |
12.5 |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 56R (11.3 g) |
Type
92 |
750 |
3.2 |
0.399 |
10.0 |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.7
x 56R (11.3 g) |
Type
97 |
750 |
3.2 |
0.399 |
16.7 |
JA |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.92
x 57 (11.5 g) |
Type
98 |
750 |
3.2 |
0.406 |
25.0 |
JA |
Medium
Machine Gun |
12.7
x 81SR (38 g) |
Ho-103
(Type 1) |
796 |
12.0 |
1.340 |
15.0 |
JA |
Medium
Machine Gun |
13
x 64B (34 g) |
Type
2 |
720 |
8.8 |
1.199 |
15.0 |
JA |
Medium
Machine Gun |
13.2
x 99 (52 g) |
Type
3 |
790 |
16.2 |
1.834 |
13.3 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 125 (140 g) |
Ho-1 |
820 |
47.1 |
4.938 |
6.7 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 125 (140 g) |
Ho-3 |
820 |
47.1 |
4.938 |
6.7 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 94 ( 99 g) |
Ho-5
(Type 2) |
820 |
33.3 |
3.492 |
14.2 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 99RB (127 g) |
Type
94 |
675 |
28.9 |
4.480 |
6.3 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 72RB (129 g) |
Type
99-1 |
525 |
17.8 |
4.550 |
8.7 |
JA |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 101RB (129 g) |
Type
99-2 |
625 |
25.2 |
4.550 |
8.2 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 115 (235 g) |
Ho-155 |
700 |
57.6 |
8.289 |
10.0 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
37
x 112R (475 g) |
Ho-203 |
570 |
77.2 |
16.755 |
2.0 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
37
x 145 (475 g) |
Ho-204
(Type 4) |
710 |
119.7 |
16.755 |
6.7 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
40
caseless (595 g) |
Ho-301 |
245 |
17.9 |
20.988 |
7.9 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
57
x 120R (1500 g) |
Ho-401 |
495 |
183.8 |
52.911 |
1.3 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 91RB (280 g) |
Type
2 |
520 |
37.9 |
9.877 |
6.7 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
30
x 122 (349 g) |
Type
5 |
700 |
85.5 |
12.311 |
7.5 |
JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
75
(6600 g) |
Type
88 |
720 |
1710.7 |
232.808 |
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JA |
Heavy
Cannon |
37
x 132R (460 g) |
Type
94 |
640 |
94.2 |
16.226 |
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>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
RU |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.62
x 54R (11.9 g) |
ShKAS |
825 |
4.0 |
0.420 |
30.0 |
RU |
Medium
Machine Gun |
12.7
x 108 (48 g) |
UBK |
850 |
17.3 |
1.693 |
17.5 |
RU |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 99R ( 96 g) |
B-20 |
860 |
35.5 |
3.386 |
13.3 |
RU |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 99R ( 96 g) |
ShVAK |
860 |
35.5 |
3.386 |
13.3 |
RU |
Heavy
Cannon |
23
x 115 (200 g) |
NS-23 |
690 |
47.6 |
7.055 |
9.2 |
RU |
Heavy
Cannon |
37
x 195 (735 g) |
NS-37 |
900 |
297.7 |
25.296 |
4.2 |
RU |
Heavy
Cannon |
45
x 182 (1065 g) |
NS-45 |
850 |
384.7 |
37.567 |
4.2 |
RU |
Heavy
Cannon |
23
x 152B (200 g) |
VYa |
905 |
81.9 |
7.055 |
8.3 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
US |
Light
Machine Gun |
7.62
x 63 ( 9.73 g) |
Browning
.30 M2 |
835 |
3.4 |
0.343 |
20.0 |
US |
Medium
Machine Gun |
12.7
x 99 (48.5 g) |
Browning
.50 M2 |
870 |
18.4 |
1.711 |
12.5 |
US |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110 (130 g) |
Hispano
Mk.I |
890 |
49.0 |
4.586 |
10.0 |
US |
Heavy
Cannon |
37
x 145R (608 g) |
M4 |
823 |
205.9 |
21.447 |
2.3 |
>Country |
>Type |
>Ammunition |
>Name |
>Muzzle Velocity (m/s) |
Shaw's
Damage |
>wt (oz) |
>Rate of Fire (rps) |
Ref |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 72RB (128 g) |
Oerlikon
FF F |
600 |
23.0 |
4.515 |
8.7 |
Ref |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 101RB (144 g) |
Oerlikon
FF L |
750 |
40.5 |
5.079 |
8.3 |
Ref |
20mm
Cannon |
20
x 110RB (129 g) |
Oerlikon
FF S |
830 |
44.4 |
4.550 |
7.8 |
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Jaguar
Pilot
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posted 06-25- 02:53 PM
I think that broke the record for longest post  IP: Logged |
Tailslide
Pilot
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posted 06-25- 03:03 PM
I'm sure Spanky posted longer when he got a really really good rant going
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Army puke SFC
Pilot
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posted 06-26- 06:27 AM
did I see 40mm caseless in the Japan section? Thats really advanced for a WWII weapon.IP: Logged |
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