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ArgonV Pilot	posted 06-21- 11:02 PM Ok, I decided to "clean" up SDOE a little. Put Hangar missions here. Add Hangar screen shots there. Fix the ones that werent the right size over there. Made sure all the planes had correct Training missions. Made sure the text for those Training missions fit the plane. Change the name a little of some planes so they could be more correct or uniform. Add some dogfight missions in the Missions section. Corrected the Squadrons for those planes as accurate as I could. Blah Blah Blah... It took 2 hours! What am I getting at? In the future, before you release your projects to the public make sure these things are correct! You wouldnt believe all the spelling errors, and wrong sizes of screen shots there were! And not to forget the lack of Missions or Training missions. This is just some friendly advice for yall. I realize no ones perfect, but some effort in this department would be appriciated by the community and those "rookies" to the game that dont exactly know how to fix stuff like this or make it to their tastes. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 06-22- 05:33 AM Hey Hey Hey - spellinga errurs ? Huh, dida yoo tinka I me spella isa wrong ? OK - ArgonV - I'll send all my betas and/or finished planes to you, so you can look at them and make corrections ?!!? Fine ! LK IP: Logged
d0gmA General	posted 06-22- 09:22 AM maybe as opposed to bitching about what others do you could volunteer to help clear up the problems that exist. Personally I don't think it sends a very good message to everyone when you point out all they have done wrong Just my observation. Doesn't spanky usually cover these things ? [This message has been edited by d0gmA (edited 06-22-2000).] IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-22- 09:56 AM Totally agree Argon. The truth always hurts but is necersarry to raise the level of the game sometimes. This is so valid in regards to newbies as - No Newbies = No future. IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:02 AM What about no new planes? IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:13 AM we got enough already IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:21 AM Sorry, but Mitsubishi A6M2 will be released this weekend. ------------------ IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:28 AM Great, Just make sure it installs correctly and works on-line with no missmatches. IP: Logged
Yardstick Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:29 AM Marcus did you get my mail re the A6M2? The server was playing up last night. ------------------ Yardstick painted this IP: Logged
mposis Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:34 AM Yardstick, Yes. I guess you did not get mine. I will make a skin and release it tomorrow. IP: Logged
jedi Pilot	posted 06-22- 11:48 AM Hehe am I mistaken or did Argon just volunteer to make up all the screen shots and hangar screens and squadron descriptions and training missions for all the new planes? That might not be a bad trade for having first crack at all the alphas and betas, eh? ------------------ --jedi-- IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 06-22- 11:56 AM Sounded like Bulldog volunteered too IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-22- 12:35 PM Volenteered for what, add more bugs? IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 06-22- 12:38 PM I will be more than happy to make screen shots for the planes (I cant however make the stats bmp I dont have photoshop or a good program like that) ,Training missions and fix anything that I am able to... Such has plane descriptions and (if I find the information) Squadron information. Im not flaming anyones work here, I just thought this should be brought up to make the game more 'complete' and 'rookie' friendly. I rarely point out whats wrong, but these things Ive mentioned are issues. I hope people will continue making this game great by putting out more planes and ground units. On a lighter note, I cant wait to fly the A6M2 IP: Logged
d0gmA General	posted 06-22- 12:55 PM ArgonV feel free to email me and you can get put on my list of people helping with 5.4. I would love the help IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 06-22- 02:03 PM Didn't you see my post bulldog? The patch is out and its only $29.99 IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 06-22- 02:18 PM I don't care much for the pics, stats, or spelling mistakes. If I wanted a book I'd buy an interactive CD Don't forget that it is easy to spend as much time on that kinda stuff as the plane itself. I more wish people would spend the extra time to add the final details to planes like shadows, custom sounds, etc. But each has their own favorite aspects of the game.. that is why it is fun to be able to create! No one dictates what you add or update. ArgonV, maybe you should release your updates as a UI update pack? The cool thing is that it does not effect online matches. I would download and install it for sure! ------------------ -Sv =FC= WWI in SDOE! IP: Logged
jedi Pilot	posted 06-22- 02:39 PM I was just havin a go at ya, Argon... I pretty much agree, once you reach late beta stage, you should include all the files necessary for the plane to function in all parts of the sim and have the same "professional look" as the original planes. As for spelling, hehe, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. As for "attention to detail," take a look at the manual on the original CD, and see if you can figure out what kind of plane is pictured as a "Ju-88." I bet Rohoyboy knows... As for Bulldog, he appears to be pining for the original plane set and the original flight models. I don't really have a response to that... ------------------ --jedi-- IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-22- 02:51 PM Yes Tail downloaded the patch but I was smoking at the same time and now my PC's having convulsions. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 06-22- 04:43 PM Sv, you know that is a good idea. Only problem is I cannot as of yet figure out how to add the file attributes to the zip correctly and alot of the ppf files I updated. Does that have an effect on online stuff? Plus some people have certian planes no one else has. Not every one uses the on-line standard (like me) cause they dont fly on-line. Thats why I like planes also to be released on an idividual basis. So for now I'll take requests if people want this stuff. BTW, I did notice the "Ju-88A4" in the manual the fist second I opened it up. I wonder how they could of goofed on such a thing? IP: Logged
Pachy Pilot	posted 06-22- 05:18 PM In my manual, the B-17 is a "F" model instead of a "G", and the Typhoon is the latest variant with a 4-prop blade and bubble canopy whereas the game has the early wariant. But we're nitpicking here. IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 06-22- 05:49 PM Huh ? Somewhere I read this "...make the planes for myself" = privat use.... Actually I did not make the planes for myself, I also keep in mind that others might use them, so I try to get them "bug-free". Argon did mention that some planes does not come with all the "additional" stuuf like hangar pics, missions etc. --- When I'm downloading a plane, I'm interested in it, that means I read some things about it, I followed the builder and "inspected" all the step he did with the plane (form the first progress pic to the final version). So Bulldog1 (and the other moaners), if you're just a "consumer" try to get satisfied with the shipped version ! You don't need to download all that user-build stuff. But if you do, might be good to tell the builder(team) when you found bugs or when you miss things. So it would be easier for them to add/fix things. Not to piss on anyone here I hope that ArgonV will do some good work ! We definetly need such people wich just start to make things and not starting to moan all the time... Tail - did you see my lighter, cant find it, hhhhgzzzz, where is it, damn... IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 06-22- 05:53 PM Really ! Just my thoughts, so dont get mad Bulldog1 , please ! IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 06-22- 06:33 PM The last time I used the term "bitching and moaning" I got into a lot of trouble so I definitely won't say that again hehe Whats the politically correct term for bitching and moaning? Not that I'm saying anyone around here would do such a thing TS IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 06-22- 07:06 PM Tail, I agree we see "bitching and moaning" too often. How about "moaning and bitching". IP: Logged
Hawker Pilot	posted 06-22- 07:52 PM Tail,I think the word whiiiiiiinnnnnning,is the politically correct term IP: Logged
Werner Molders Pilot	posted 06-22- 07:55 PM Not that I want to wade into... "this" or anything, but I just want to throw my 2c in here - While the little things do sometimes bother me, and we could list quite a few, it all evaporates 100% when enjoying the incredible experience that is SDOE, particularly SDOEwar!, so to the builders out there, please keep on building. Warts and all, it makes SDOE so much better. At least that way those for whom the problems are too glaring can choose not to install your work, and those of us who don't mind the occasional 'thing' here or there can. Ah, the freedom of choice! Werner ------------------ Axis Adjutant SDOE War! IP: Logged
Mk10 225th Pilot	posted 06-22- 09:33 PM And another thing: I'm tired of being the only one around here who picks up the beer cans. And empties the ashtrays. And throws away the pizza boxes. You guys live like pigs. And just look outside. I bet you guys haven't even THOUGHT of mowing the lawn this year. And I'm sorry, 4 stolen kegs and a cable table do NOT qualify as lawn furniture! I won't even talk about the magazines in the bathroom. Everyone can start by picking up their clothes too. I don't know how many times I've come home from work, and you guys are just sitting around, doing nothing, and it smells like some sort of Indian sandalwood factory in here. You could also do yourself a favor by getting a haircut, too. With everyone running around looking like a roadie for Nirvana, you're never going to get a REAL job! And don't look at me like that! Hey, I'm talking to you young man! Mk10=225th= IP: Logged
Jeeves Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:10 PM My God...my wife left me for four days and MK10 took her place... As much as I hate to agree with Werner as of late (give a guy a rank and a Me-262 and he thinks he owns the world!)...I agree that we need more planes. Hey...how about a Gloster Meteor? Now that would make things interesting ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 06-22- 10:11 PM I think we have a volunteer for forum-mom :-) IP: Logged
Wing It Cadet	posted 06-22- 10:21 PM I know I don't post much... but mk..you sound like you have the whining down to a science... hehe... [This message has been edited by Wing It (edited 06-22-2000).] IP: Logged
Jv44~Siggi Pilot	posted 06-22- 10:25 PM Don't listen to Chris, he's just peeved that his guitar is buried under all that crap and he can't use the amp 'cos the electricity bill hasn't been paid. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 06-23- 01:16 AM Why does everyone think Im bitching? I mearly suggested that these things would be wise add-ons. I didnt moan and groan about anything and stand here like a dumb shit and not do anything about it. I actually went and fixed the issues and Im happy now. I just wanted to suggest to you guys that these few simple things make the game better. IP: Logged
Werner Molders Pilot	posted 06-23- 01:34 AM You're happy now? Whoa, didn't see that one coming. Jeeves - Buddy, you got some hot lead coming your way man!! Or at least the mother of all water balloons (Werner hurriedly runs to the former garden patch and hits the big shiny button) ~~SPLAT~~ Gotcha!! Werner LOL! ------------------ Axis Adjutant SDOE War! IP: Logged
Mk10 225th Pilot	posted 06-23- 01:50 AM Just acoustic so far Sigg. But I make a lot of noise, eh? How's tricks? Oh, and you can start taking out the trash around here once in a while. And pick up those socks. Mk10=225th= IP: Logged
nealg Pilot	posted 06-23- 02:09 AM Not THOSE socks..those are MY socks! And no, I ain't washing 'em...just washed 'em in February. sniff sniff What smells...? Allright...who the heck took a shower!!?? ------------------ nealg=FC= IP: Logged
AGAS - 5 Pilot	posted 06-23- 02:12 AM MH, isn't that spelt 'Mum' ArgonV, I agree with you 95 % mate It's just that the other 5 % understands the time and effort ..... and pressure to release...that the biulders go through. If they decide, for what ever reason, that they want to concentrate on the plane model,FM,DM and ALL the other things that go into making it into the air and not the Hanger pic, spec's or mission etc then so be it. I can fix that like you. The point about newbies... I agree 100 % here. They probably will not know how to fix these. Suggestion....Whether part of a project or a loan ranger... Why don't the plane biulders just ask for a GUI assistant. A relatively minor contibution to the project for sure, but it would round it out very well. Just my 2c worth. Cheers, ------------------ AGAS 5 Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation IP: Logged
Michael Harrison General	posted 06-23- 10:02 AM Argon: Some people think you're bitching because what they read is colored by their own mental state at the time they read your posts and the fact that emotions aren't readily conveyed by the written word. People who don't work on models and code for this playground (that's what FS really is these days) don't realize just how much hard work goes into what does make it into the public. All that hard work tends to wear our nerves down and make us a bit touchy. The best thing to do (for everyone) is don't reply immediately to a post that sets your teeth on edge. Wait a while, assume that the poster means well and then reply. [This message has been edited by Michael Harrison (edited 06-23-2000).] IP: Logged
Bulldog1 Pilot	posted 06-23- 10:22 AM Laika 801- err I'm not mad at you buddy but your point about 'out of the box' and that I don't have to download any planes is slightly wrong as if I want to play on line I have no option but to download the on-line standard. And you know what, I have to appologise for my earlier posts in this topic. I was having a rather tough day and I guess I just used the forum as a bunchbag. SORRY to you all. I have now taken my medication and I love the world again, especially all you wonderfull people here at SDOE. IP: Logged
Jeeves Pilot	posted 06-23- 12:45 PM Playground? Hey nealg...get off the swing...it's my turn to swing now!! Hey MK10...nealg won't get off the swing ------------------ Brought to you by the campaign for a better Dauntless! IP: Logged

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