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Ronin Pilot	posted 05-29- 12:47 PM Folks- Often new aircraft are released that require an update to the startup.ppf file. Some authors are including a newly edited startup.ppf with their aircraft. This is great but that file overwrites the existing one and suddenly you loose features from other aircraft! Not to mention the confusion for those new to SDOE! With all the new weapons, airfoils and such, keeping the startup.ppf file current is a challenge to say the least!! Is there a good solution out there that somehow I've missed?? To start the discussion I'd like to propose two different solutions! AA) Someone takes the responsibility to keep a "SDOE Community Standard STARTUP.PPF" file. Then each author would 'register' thier airfoil lines or whatever to this 'standard startup.ppf'. Whoever is the champion for the startup.ppf file would keep it updated always posting the current master file on an SDOE standards download site somewhere. This standard startup.ppf would be included in each plane pack. Second suggestion... BB) We come up with a utility (Spider??) that appends the startup.ppf file. Then each author issues a text file with just the lines needed by this utility to append to the startup.ppf file. This might be a solution for the more computer challenged amoung us! I favor the first solution! What do you think? Does anyone else have an issue with this!! Ronin IP: Logged
Spanky the Mad Dog Pilot	posted 05-29- 02:22 PM Spanky here... Umm.. As far as I know spyder already did that man. www.simfiles.com IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 01:19 AM Yeah I tried, no one took it up. ------------------ IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 05-30- 01:33 AM Hey Spyder ! I did it and I will do it in the future ! When I remember it right - there should be some topics to the startup.ppf file. So if the people got problems with this it might be handy to add a help file (what and how to do with the startup.ppf) to your nice little tool. Anyway - some off-topic questions - is it possible to change the sky/fog- colours in the game ?? LK IP: Logged
Ronin Pilot	posted 05-30- 05:32 AM Spanky - Thanks for pointing out the file! I had missed that one. Spyder - Cool tool as usual! Well, you made it easy! Now I guess we plane builders just need to include the appropriate text file in our zips containing the appropriate lines and have a readme that directs the person downloading the aircraft to use your tool. Thanks! Ronin IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 05:41 AM Ahh sorry laika I forgot you did that for the I16. Thanks Ronin, yes it's a simple process to add a txt file named after the aircraft, that has the appropriate line(s) in it to add straight to the startup.ppf file. You can drag and drop the text file onto the manager or add it manually. ------------------ IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 06:13 AM Laika, Poodle would be the man to ask about the sky and fog colours, you need to edit your mission with notepad and add the lines as well as adjusting the ambient/infinite settings. There maybe something in the handy dandy doc about this too. ------------------ IP: Logged
Luny Pilot	posted 05-30- 06:38 AM Laika about the off topic question Its easy to do but you need the 1.5.1 beta 5 (or more im not sure the new beta handles it as well) for it to work. Edit your mission in notepad and add settings to that: Should looks like: msnEnvironment ( msnDate "7/4/1945" msnCloud "strPartlyCloudy" msnWindVelocity 10 msnWindDirection 45 msnFogColor R,G,B msnClearColor R,G,B ) where R,G,B are any colour red, green, blue values (0 to 255) ------------------ -=BAB=- Luny [This message has been edited by Luny (edited 05-30-2000).] IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-30- 08:17 AM This is no longer an issue for officially released packs, DOgmA's installer actually adds/updates the needed lines. It rocks! He also does the sounds.ppf file. Also this will not be an issue for airfoils at least with the new SDOE beta, MH enhanced it so that as long as you name your foil to mach your aircraft name, you need not add it to the startup.ppf file ------------------ -Sv =FC= WWI in SDOE! IP: Logged
d0gmA General	posted 05-30- 08:31 AM Yes installers now do this. I would like to also point out that if everyone working on beta planes let me know what airfoils need to be added for their planes, I can add their foils to the next plane pack even if their plane isn't going to be in the next pack. then your readme could state something like "if you have pp5.4 then you don't have to add this line". Just an offer and idea IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 08:36 AM How does that work for individual plane releases though? Planepacks have always solved that problem. ------------------ IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-30- 12:09 PM Best way I can think of is just to ask the user to add the needed line to the existing startup.ppf file, or create a one-off installer See now the new plane packs will not overwrite any user-added lines -Sv IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 07:24 PM Back to step one....... ------------------ IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-30- 08:56 PM What you mean Spyder? Now plane packs will not overwrite the user's startup.ppf file, this is good, no? -Sv IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-30- 09:17 PM Read my posts Sv, individual planes not planepacks. ------------------ IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-30- 09:27 PM Right Spyder, And the problem we used to have (or I had at least) is that new plane packs would overwite the startup.ppf file that I had asked my users to add. Now the pack leaves these lines in the file. This is at least a step forward. Now we can release the WWI pack without screwing up everyone's startup.ppf file. And for new aircraft I just ask the user to add the line to the startup.ppf file. This is harder than just giving them a new startup.ppf file though, but it seems better than having a master startup.ppf file on the web- that is tricky and you can not release your plane the second you want to. Solution BB sounds cool too though. -Sv IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-31- 06:48 AM That's why I said back to step one, new planes contained startup.ppfs instead of one line txt files etc. It overwrites the users most recent startup.ppf hence the need for individual releases to stick with a standard, like you I figured one liner's would be better than a replacement startup.ppf file that didn't take into account a user's custom plane setup. The planepack install is fine, but in between them there are many creations being put out. Hope that was clear. ------------------ IP: Logged
Mk10 225th Pilot	posted 05-31- 07:54 AM Hey Spyder, but doesn't the new plane pack system take care of this problem? Mk10=225th= IP: Logged
Sv Pilot	posted 05-31- 08:12 AM Yes, I see Spyder -Sv IP: Logged
Mark_Walsh Pilot	posted 05-31- 09:30 AM Spyder, Thanks for the PPF Editor. But, as you say, I searched for a Zip file with the text file you mentioned and found none >>> haven't tried yours yet Laika. So as such, I have no Heinkel 162, nor Ta152. Nor anything else not on a Plane Pack. Plane makers ... if you could do that ONE OTHER little thing with the text file please ... Oh and while you are at it, ...(hehe...just joshing) S! MW IP: Logged
Spyder Pilot	posted 05-31- 09:43 AM Mk, you've got horns and a tail for sure! ------------------ IP: Logged
Laika 801 Pilot	posted 06-01- 02:35 AM Thanks Luny ! It does only work with the beta's ??? , one problem here - the beta's dont work for me LK IP: Logged

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