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Diego Lozano
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posted 05-21- 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diego Lozano   Click Here to Email Diego Lozano     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While Nat and I are finishing up Midway, what new terrain would we need the most? Should we continue with the PTO theme(Burma, Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal etc.) or *insert preferance here*

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Nat
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posted 05-21- 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
been thinking about this aswell Diego, I think we need another Pac type terrain, but one which has more land or islands, we need more working airfields (aslong as we get over that problem to start with) to give more mission type options, maybe Burma would be cool, but I agree, leave it to the crowd for shouts on this one

~Nat~


infact.. MH.. if you're reading this, have you any tips on how we place airstrips? It'd be a real big help

[This message has been edited by Nat (edited 05-21-2000).]

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 05-21- 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here....

You guys arn't going to like this but if ya really wanted to do something ambitious.

Maybe you could writing a tutorial on how to make a new terrain and spread the info so you guys arn't the only ones doing it.

If not I would vote for.

And eastern front, winter and summer.

or maybe a theater for china japan? Like the area the flying tigers would have flown over? is that burma?

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Jerry
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posted 05-21- 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be more of a ground object project rather than terrain but how about Berlin? A large city (which we currently don't have), a lot of buildings to bomb, only a few airfields needed, great for both bombing and intercept missions, a target throughout the war so depending on the date of the mission all ETO planes including the Russion planes could be used.

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slk
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posted 05-21- 09:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EEEOUCH Jerry,
There go my frame rates, anything Pacific will be fine. Pick an island and make it how you want, get creative, use your imagination...
Psi

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Private Roger
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posted 05-21- 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Private Roger   Click Here to Email Private Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your taking votes then I would vote to contine the Pacific Theatre additions. We could maybe someday have as many of them as we do Eurpoean Theatres.

Great work by the way! Can't wait to fly by Palm trees!

PR=FC=

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Diego Lozano
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posted 05-21- 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diego Lozano   Click Here to Email Diego Lozano     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems like we might continue the PTO. I'm having some trouble finding an island group with Allied AND Japanese airfields that are able to fit realistically within a 40x40 mile area map...other than New Georgia island. If someone can find some other locations that meet these criteria post them or email Nat or myself.

Spanky,
I'd like to see a Burma map too but, I cant find any info on airfield locations...can you help me out?

Jerry,
Aaaah ground targets AND buildings! Wish it were possible! Unfortunately cities look like #$*% up close.

Guys keep the ideas coming!!

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DanW
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posted 05-21- 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DanW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, Diego,

Why don't you guys just make some fantasy terrain up? Some canyons and neat stuff like that. Put water and mountains. Something fresh.

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slk
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posted 05-21- 11:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats what I just said Dan...
Psi

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Jerry
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posted 05-22- 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diego, slk,

Educate me please. Are each of the buildings in the villages a seperate ground object like a tank or ship and that's why we can't do large cities, because too many kill frame rate?

Couldn't we do different detail levels for different altitudes like we do with plane lods? Or a painted on city unless up close? Wouldn't that plus a flat terrain with few other features to hog cpu/video ram give us the abilty to have a large city?

I know I'm rambling about something I don't know much about, but I'm curious. How do driving sims do it when you're driving all over Chicago up close?

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slk
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posted 05-22- 12:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry,
That Q is over my head as far as why. I just know that the more objects in a game the more FPS suffers. I'm sure that one of these guys that is smarter than crap will answer that question to the fullest. Sorry I can't but I'm good at other things, trust me...
Psi

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Pachy
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posted 05-22- 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pachy   Click Here to Email Pachy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you guys document your work enough, a lot of things are possible right?

I like the Pacific stuff, but a Normandy terrain would be cool. We already have cows.

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Laika 801
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posted 05-22- 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laika 801   Click Here to Email Laika 801     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More pacific terrains ? Maybe 3 or 4 more right ? Pffffffffffffffffff (!)

My vote for eastern front ! A tutorial would be cool !

LK

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 05-22- 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

I just got stunt island the other night.

Its a 386 game and has full a full polygon city of hundreds of buildings and large forrests of trees that ARN'T billboarded.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 05-22- 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Hey guys check out this link for some cool maps for ww2. It could help anyway.

http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/dhistorymaps/MapsHome.htm

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Nat
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posted 05-22- 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys, I'm more than happy to "Spill the beans" on how to do this, but for the most of the work, it,s even easier then making a simple ground object! It's just alot more tedious. If there's someone out there that is good at smoothing objects, then we could ave a wicked fantasy terrain with big mountains and canyonns real fast!
I'll post the basics here in another thread on how to mess with all this, and point out the things that I can't do right now.

~Nat~

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SchaF
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posted 05-22- 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SchaF   Click Here to Email SchaF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi
i'm for iwo jima,guadalcanal, new guinea (lae <->port moresby)
!! can't wait for it )

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charmstar
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posted 05-22- 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmstar   Click Here to Email charmstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to see a map of southern china: it would be fun to dogfight around the wicked mountains at Guilin. It is a drag that there aren't places where Japanese and Allies had airfields in close proximity though :-(

I guess one idea is to make 2 terrains, one around an Allied base of Operations, and one around a Japanese area. Then you could just design missions that had one side always start in the air. Or, you could experiment with making a larger terrain, or a rectangular terrain. Maybe if a significant part of the terrain is over the ocean anyway, you could use a low-res repeating texture, and thus be able to afford a bigger terrain?

charm

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biggels3
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posted 05-22- 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for biggels3   Click Here to Email biggels3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi i am new
what about perl harbor in detail with the air fiels and evrything.

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Nat
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posted 05-22- 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jerry, your Q about cities...

OK, actually they would be very very easy to build, infact, as simple as it was for me to do those trees.. the thing is the size of tile they will sit. So, although we could change the buildings and add more, it will be a bigger town, rather than a city, and yes, "could" seriously affect FR on slower machines.

As a side project anyone could try this and see how it turns out, it's a very simple thing to do to add more buildings, a case of copy and paste/position and it's done, save it and fly it, see how it looks.. really, a very simple thing.

~Nat~

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MrBlob
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posted 05-22- 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrBlob   Click Here to Email MrBlob     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ow about a more accurate Britain and French map? I.e: the english channel?

Or why not go full hog and Europe?

More acurate : - )

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Werner Molders
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posted 05-22- 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders   Click Here to Email Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Normandy please!! I'd pitch in for the artwork (especially on buildings - I was there recently)...

If not Normandy, how 'bout a Malta fix on the Med map? Also, central Italy would be nice! (something with mountains...)

If nothing else - EUROPE (anywhere is better than nowhere at all).

Werner

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Private Roger
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posted 05-22- 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Private Roger   Click Here to Email Private Roger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Biggels3! Glad to have you aboard!

Pearl Harbor would be very cool! I just wonder how much of it could be modeled without big frame rate hits?

Leave it the guys who are experts here to fill us in.

PR=FC=

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biggels3
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posted 05-23- 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for biggels3   Click Here to Email biggels3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yep!i totaly agree
i have a problem i cant see enybody in the lobby. whatis rong? can you help i have been cheking every 3 hours and nothing

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Nat
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posted 05-23- 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nat   Click Here to Email Nat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diego and I both agree on this point, so I don't mind mentioning it.. so, imagine this for ppl building missions, and ppl wanting diverse missions to fly....

Midway.. how many airstrips does that tiny little atol have... 1

Pearl.. how many airstrips does that tiny little island have....

Now I have to agree that well know battle areas such as these are great to have.. but how maney types of mission can you get from these terrains? Not maney, and they will certainly get boring after a while, lets be candid, this Midway terrain is a learning step towards full terrain restructureing, a time for us to learn new stuff, and perfect ideas, from this great terrains can be made, we're not using the same tools that Inertia had to do all this, so it's a very tedious job, and not a quick one, but lets honest, a new terrain area after Midway will really need more AI usable airstrips, 1 or two will just make it hard for good missions.

Again I say, that anyone could do what I have done so far, and some could do what Diego has done to a pretty good level aswell, so I'm more than happy to help anyone get underway with a terrain project of their own. Once Midway is finished I'll have a better idea of the best way to go about it, so it should be alot quicker to do, but the learning itself is never quick, hey, lets face it, really speaking I'm still a newbie at this, but enthusiastic and generaly quick to learn

~Nat~

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GHOST
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posted 05-23- 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GHOST   Click Here to Email GHOST     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WHAT ABOUT a far eastern city/coast/docks and A B29 to bomb the '#;'#;''@out of it!?

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Loco
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posted 05-24- 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Loco   Click Here to Email Loco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi fellows,

How about Solomons Islands?
We could fly ours corsairs in the VMF-214 Squadron! Would be fine.

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Mark_Walsh
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posted 05-27- 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mark_Walsh   Click Here to Email Mark_Walsh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, the New Guinea/Solomons may be a good idea.

Rugged and/or beautiful terrain ...

Either accurate or with poetic licence ...

P 40s, Beaufighters, Oscars, ... and given that the history of the area is a little woolly, the poetic license could reach into the planes being used ... ragtag Spits, Hurricanes etc ...


Salute MW

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