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slk
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posted 04-27- 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing that seems to be missing that I would be interested in is the armament for each AC.
The hanger provides us with the performance and dimentions etc. But I sometimes would like to know about the guns in the particular
AC.
Example, there was a post a while back about the "Morrison Flip" that the 47 did when it was shot up in a one on one close combat.

I have seen the effects mentioned and have flown EVERY German fighter against the 47 in this experiment. But when I fly the He100 against it I can cut it up like a chain saw.
If some one could post the armament stats I could be contented with a hard copy of that.
Any takers???
Psi

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bjorn
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posted 04-27- 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting tidbit, only vaguely related to your message.

I've done the Morrison Flip when inside the P47, and contrary to what I've heard others say, I managed to retain control after a while. I still don't know what is causing it, but it *may* be that the H-stab is rotated a bit from the punishment.

I've seen the Me 109K do the Morrison Flip too. It's rare, though.
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/Bjorn.

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Jeeves
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posted 04-27- 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeeves   Click Here to Email Jeeves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually now that you mention it (and if the way you describe it is the way I see it)-- I have seen the Spit and Hurricane do this as well-- I'll be on the 88's tail just testing how the rear gunner does and all the sudden, I am vertical and falling straight down with my prop still spinning- and the way it looks is as though the rear cables don't respond to the stick...very freaky- I don't see smoke or anything, but the plane does no respond to stick movements.

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charmstar
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posted 04-27- 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmstar   Click Here to Email charmstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What's a Morrison flip?

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slk
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posted 04-27- 03:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly,

Thats the "Morrison Flip" on the dot. You know I do belive that I've seen that as well on other AC. But a long time ago maybe 5.2
or early in 5.3, but try some of the German AC close combat with the 47. And tell me what you think of the power of the cannons on the He100 as compared to others...
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Tailslide
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posted 04-27- 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He-100

Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Type: Single-Seat Fighter
Engine: 1,175hp Daimler-Benz DB601 Aa inverted V12 liquid cooled
Dimensions: Span 30ft 10 3/4 in; length 26ft 10 3/4in; height 11ft 9 3/4 in
Weights: (D-1) empty 3,990lb; Max loaded 5,512lb
Performance: (D-1) maximum speed 416mph; service ceiling 36,090ft; range 559 miles


Undaunted by loss of the Luftwaffe's fighter orders to BFW with the 109, Heinkel proposed a much faster fighter, with structure completely different form the rather unimpressive He 112 to make it more efficient and much quicker and cheaper to build. The resulting Projekt 1035 was completed on 25 May 1937 and at the end of that Year the now-informed RLM sanctioned a prototype and ten pre-production machines. Heinkel managed to secure number "100" though this had been previously alotted to Feiseler. The first prototype flew on 22 January 1938, and was clearly oustandingly fast, being small and having a surface-evaporation cooling system instead of a draggy radiator. Though there were many problems, and Luftwaffe test pilots disliked the high wing loading, Udet himself flew the V2 to a new world 100km circuit record at 394.6 mph. On 30 March 1939 Hans Dieterle, flying the clipped-wing V3 took the world speed record at 463.92 mph. But the RLM saw no reason for mass production, and six prototypes were sold to the Soviet Union and three He 100D-0 to Japan, with armament of two MG 17 and a 20mm MG/FF. The remaining 12 He100D-1 fighters formed a Heinkel-Rostock defence unit, but in 1940 were publicised by Goebbels' propoganda machine in such a way as to convince Britain there was a fighter in large-scale service called the "He 113".

Although Messerschmitt's Bf109 had been adopted as the Luftwaffe's standard monoplane fighter in preference to Heinkel's He112 submission, Heinrich Hertel and Siegfried Gunter designed a new high-speed fighter with a design maximum speed of 435mph. It was also engineered for ease of production with few curves and the minimum number of parts and components. The resulting Heinkel He100a prototype made its first flight on 22 January 1938, powered by a Daimler-Benz DB601 engine with a special pressurised evaporative cooling system. A second prototype, with a DB601M engine, captured the 100km closed circuit landplane record on 6 June 1938, piloted by Ernst Udet. The aircraft was referred to officially as an He112U, to boost the reputation of the He112B sold to Japan and Spain. The third prototype, built for an attempt on the world absolute speed record, had reduced wing span, a more streamlined cockpit canopy and a boosted DB601 engine but it crashed in September and was replaced by the similar eight prototype. In this aircraft Hans Dieterle raise the record to 463.92 mph at Oranienburg on 30 march 1939. The fourth and fifth aircraft were designated He100B, prootypes six, seven, and nine were completed to He100C standard; the third of these was the first He 100 to be armed carrying two 20-mm MG FF cannon and four 7.92 mm (0.31in) MG17 machine guns.

Handling deficiencies revealed during service evaluation at Erprobunstelle Rechlin resulted in introduction of the He100D with enlarged tail surfaces and with a conventional, semi-retractable ventral radiator in place of the earlier enclosed system. It was armed with a 20-mm MG FF cannon in the nose and two 7.92-mm MG17 machine guns in the wings. Fifteen He100Ds were built, comprising three He100D-0 pre-production examples and 12 He100D-1 production aircraft, the latter being retained at Heinkels Rostock-Marienehe factory and flown by Heinkel staff pilots as a local Defence unit. As DB601 engines had been earmarked for Bf109 production, the He100 was not adopted for Luftwaffe use and the company was authorized to offer it for foreign license-manufacture. In October 1939 Japaneese and Soviet teams visited Marienehe and, as a result, three He 100D-0 aircraft were sold to Japan and six of the prototypes to the USSR. Proposed Japaneese production did not materialize.


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slk
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posted 04-27- 10:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW!!!

Take a breath dude, Holy crap, thank you.
Cut, copied and pasted...
Thanks Tail,
Psi

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Werner Molders
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posted 04-27- 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Werner Molders   Click Here to Email Werner Molders     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I take it a morrison flip is a) a bad thing b) not something you cause, but rather the jerk on your tail does to you.. anything else?

What happens, they just cut your tail stab cables so you lose control and spin on your wing axis?

Hmm, this is interesting.

Werner

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Robert
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posted 04-28- 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert   Click Here to Email Robert     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Björn said, you can regain control of the AC, after a while. The flip looks to me somewhat like the "Cobra", the AC simply flips over and stands on it´s tail for a sec or two, and then drops it´s nose again.
/Robert

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Zurawski
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posted 04-28- 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK ...

I have a theory about this (Bjorn?) ... I don't have the plane with me right now (work) .. But I have a sinking feeling that there is a damage property sitting in the tail somewhere, whee the damage causes an explosion but it's usually not enough to destroy the tail. The reason for the "Morrison-flip" is not unlike when your plane is buffeted by a near-explosion ...

Might have to peek into this ...

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bjorn
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posted 04-28- 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The plane behaves exactly as if the horizontal stabs were lost, only they're still there. Some times you don't have a chance, some times you can move your control surfaces, so it's just a matter of gaining airspeed again.

On at least the P47 the tail is completely "passive," by which I mean that there are no obExplode[s] properties in it. It doesn't explode at all. It's either there and works (although perhaps limited in functionality) or it detaches. The P47 *does* have a damage DOF for the horizontal stabs that allows them to be rotated around the X-axis, however. It *might* be that that happens. If they're rotated a few degrees counter clockwise (if viewed from the port side of the aircraft) it'd be as if you pulled the stick more than is probably possible.
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/Bjorn.

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slk
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posted 04-28- 02:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BREAK IT UP.........BREAK IT UP....WYIODA

This post is about "ARMAMENT" NOT the "Morrison flip" you wana chit chat bout that go to page 3 and enter "Strange days have found us" NOW GETOUDHERE....GO.....GO


And don't come back......................GOOO
Psi

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Confusion
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posted 04-28- 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Confusion   Click Here to Email Confusion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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