posted 04-23- 06:11 PM               

IL-2 is due out this fall. As it won't be fully supported as yet along the open plane road as SDoE,thou, it may turn out to be.

But, by reading Oleg Maddox's posts,one can get a good read on the support the game will be given

Its simply being published/programmed all together different from SDoE it won't suffer the lack of support (hard code)SDoE is.

This isn't taking a jab at Mike H. or Inertia/Parasoft, but rather the unfortunant
structure of the release and ownership difficulties of SDoE.

The Padlock issue is totally resolved in IL-2 thanks to some gracious Open-Minded behaviour on Oleg's part and my persuasive determination.

As it sounds as if IL-2's Padlock will be fully overhauled from SDoE's model, he has agreed to give the host a checkbox to Disable Padlock.

This will open up IL-2 to a much Broader Audience of Purchasing $$'s that unfortunantly SDoE has locked itself out of.

Air Warrior,Warbirds,and Aces High, the big 3
in Online WWII multiplay that strives further for total realism than most others DON'T offer Padlock as a viewing option.

And why they don't is a well known and beaten issue regarding fairness and online playability.

These folks have,are,and will continue to be Instantly turned OFF by SDoE's inability to provide a way to turn OFF padlock in online play.

And by looking at the number of registered viewers,#'s of folks found online playing SDoE these days,its rather obvious.

Yes, the damage bug and mismatchs aids in this,but I can assure you, Padlock is also a factor.

For those of you who would like to join in on the finer aspects of WWII Aerial Combat and enjoy the truely last undiscovered frontier.......... the hunt & proper ID sequence of Dogfighting, feel free to join us in IL-2 when it surfaces, or promote a proper patch in SDoE.

I quite frankly,have grown tired of the lack of support for a much richer online experience in SDoE in regards to the
"All Compromising Padlock" and refuse to play online anymore.

I do however continue to drop by and DL some of the wonderful creations by such talented folks up here,and for that,I'm truely grateful........thanks!

posted 04-23- 06:43 PM               

I thought sense you were bringing up sacred cows which no ones minds will be changed on, and both sides think they are right. I'd give you some others.

posted 04-23- 09:52 PM               

I personally don't have a problem with padlock that DOESN'T give the person using it an advantage.

I think calling anyone who doesn't use padlock more "hardcore" is just stupid. Sorry rattler. But in its essence padlock is the only way to get True realism. Its not our fault that no company has pulled it off.

Again I say. What will you do when VR head sets become more common place and you have to fight someone with one, with you using a 17" monitor?

They will have the advantage cause they will be able to look around like a REAL pilot.

You will be stuck using your old fashion hat or number pad keys.

Will you ask for a way to disable that person from turning his head?

???

posted 04-23- 10:16 PM               

In SDoE when one wishes to host a game where
Finding and Id'ing a plane all on your own is desired,Padlock is a HUGE advantage.

Thats Plane & Simple.

And,like I said,support here is minimal,if at all

Shame, this game could have been........
so much more.

posted 04-23- 10:22 PM               

Some folks can't stand to use Padlock, so much so,that using it really isn't an option.

But, when one guy uses it to locate all aircraft.........

Behind mtns.
Underneath his wing.
Behind his headrest.
Behind the clouds.
And instantly toggle thru all enemy aircraft and there relationship to his WITHOUT spotting them first......
I could go on.........

Its a FULL compromise to the settings of

HUD OFF
Enemy aircraft on map OFF
Clouds ON
(when the other poor sap can't see such things that the Padlocker is getting away with)

Honestly, No-One can see the advantage?

Either I'm stumped or someone is telling little white lies to me

Rattler

posted 04-24- 01:55 AM               

Mirthain EXACTLY

Yes SDOEs padlock is horrible and i don't use it. BUT i would use one that was better designed.

and it can be done.

You keep saying that people won't play SDOE because there is no option to turn it off. What about the people you will be shutting out BY turning it off? It will happen.

posted 04-24- 03:29 AM               

All 3 of the big 3 that I spoke of have Full Historical Arena's that don't have allied aircraft vs allied aircraft offered for the realism crowd.

Aces High has a full 3D cockpit with NO Padlock.

Aces High is Created by Dale Addink,who created Warbirds and alot of the best features of Air Warrior, again your ignorance
is calling out.

I've mentioned a simple point about this game.

It has a Terrible to say it lightly..... Padlock.

Is it too much to ask for a way to shut the damned thing OFF?

I don't think so, but than again, I must be wrong

Go ahead and play Space Invaders Online, I'll wait for Real Settings

posted 04-24- 03:45 AM               

Example:for instance;

Lets assume SDoE has Unlimited Ammo by default.

And I ask for a checkbox to disable Unlimited Ammo and Enable Realistic Ammo.

You'd reply I'd gathter that there shouldn't be such a checkbox provided as it keeps too many people out?

Padlock is in SDoE,every bit of an utter embarassment as asking for Unlimited Ammo.

Fix it for now simply with a way to Disable it, and scheme a way to fix Padlock correctly (if at all possible ?)for the long term.

Fail to see the logic in that, and I simply can't explain it to you any clearer.

Tailslide:
We can either admit we have a problem and correct it, or bow our head in shame, and claim it could be fixed with no realistic expectation of actually believing it will be,and let it carry on as the embarassment to this game that it is,and do nothing.

I prefer the former,but hold no faith that it will be, and see sparse integrity in regards to this issue in this community.

And,its a shame

posted 04-24- 05:34 AM               

Look i'm fine with a no padlock switch. BUT since this community is so small i don't think we can afford to start grouping into Padlock and no padlock right now.

Heck alot of the time we are still flying with hud on.

I'm sure you would love to bitch about that too.

We have that switch and only about 20% of the games i fly in have it off. And I don't host so don't say its cause i want it on.

posted 04-24- 09:03 AM               

or if you like cut and paste..

>In WWII, pilots could not hit a button and
>have their head auto-track targets.

They didn't have to bother with hitting any buttons to track targets, they could just move their head

>Padlocking a plane when its out of sighting
>distance,whips around your six,over your
>head,ect,is totally lame in my
>opinion.

I agree.. it sounds to me you are saying a poorly designed padlock feature is a cheat.. and it is. Thats why I said fix the padlock not remove it.

A well done padlock feature enhances realism rather than takes away from it IMHO. I've flown sims where you can't engage padlock on anything thats not centered in your view, and it breaks off when the target goes out of your view.. it's great, much easier (and more realistic) than fumbling around with a hat.

TS

posted 04-24- 01:58 PM               

The way it stands now with no way to disable padlock, Hud might as well be left on.

Under today's options if Hud is disabled,icons dissapear and only the non-padlockers are blind.

With a checkbox to disable padlock, if hud and padlock are disabled then both padlockers and non-padlockers have to aquire and ID their targets by them selves.Also they gotta track the target themselves,and this is where the padlocker would have to smooth pan if he doesn't choose to head snap.

This if the realism I'm talking about, no others.

TS: my point is to disable for now,fix later.
I'm able to fly online with old friends & family that don't use padlock .........
and with a great deal of confidence and play balance, but it sure would be nice to share it with others here,but its not an option now.

I'll just have wait until this fall to support Olegs release which will support me and others in my flight realism genre,and hope it offers the same wonderful flight dynamics and graphical pleasure's I've grown fond of here in SDoE.

Rattler

posted 04-25- 12:10 AM               

Yep tail. But i think Rat is under the assumption that it can never be done right. Which looking at the track record for padlocks might be a valid concern.

posted 04-25- 01:28 AM               

Nope it was sounding great. I think even Rattler will agree to that.

BUT since when should be start trusting that they will actually pull it off.

posted 04-25- 01:46 AM               

TS

posted 04-25- 02:38 AM               

I agree.

And yes, IL-2 will feature a "lock-breaking" padlock. The multiplay host has the possibility to disable padlock.

Camo

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posted 04-25- 11:34 AM               

Rattler, is it possible for you to hook up with a group of pilots who enjoy total realism like you? And a group you could trust to not use the padlock option? I hate to loose any pilots from online, especially the ones I can shoot down. And no I don't use the padlock. I am sure you could even try just going online and host a mission and ask those involved to turn the option off. If they follow you consistently through the clouds, then you know they be cheating.

I hope to see you online soon.

Condor out

posted 04-25- 12:21 PM               

Sunday I was having a furball with Qualcast, we were both in Spit IX's.. he was on my tail and I was pulling constant 5.4 g turns, on the very edge of black out, and he was keeping with me, at higher speed, and out turning me, and all the time I'm taking hits from him..... how? He has rudder pedals and I don't. Simple really.. was he cheating because he used pedals and I don't have them.. No, the option is there to use them, and I could go and buy some right...

See the simularity here.

What one person thinks of as fair, the other doesn't, I think the point is, we have padlock for better or for worse, and so far we've not found a way to change it's design, so I think we just have to accept it and stop this whinning and re hashing of a subject that we've been over so many times here it really does get dull.

I've said in the past my opinion of it... I don't use it, but others do, and good luck to them, I don't mind at all, I could spend some time and get used to using it.. but I don't see that much advantage in it, atleast, others using it has made no difference to how I fly, and wether or not I get shot down.

posted 04-25- 05:44 PM            

Hey, rather than spitting out reasons why it's good or bad, thought I'd put up a possible easy fix suggestion.

posted 04-27- 06:24 AM               

TS: Your seriously worried about getting locked out of fewer than 5% of total online games that you may stumble onto to?

Right now,someone who wishes to use Unlimited Ammo would be locked out of 100% of the Online games.

My desire to not have "The All Compromising" Padlock,locked on me has left me out of nearly 99% of the games Online.

I feel for ya.

Nat:I'm not stuck with SDoE's padlock.....
trust me

And NO, I don't see the simularity in your comparison.Apples & Oranges.......

Padlock in Oleg's IL-2 hasn't been defined as too whether or not it will padlock friendlies ( the previous poster hit the nail on head in this regard )

I'd like to see a Padlock with all the stuff Oleg has revealed thus far and more. 3 levels of options also.

And for Level 3 Padlock:

Padlock only aircraft that are:

1.Inside the gunsite
2.1,000 yards or less away.
3.Padlocks friendly & emeny aircraft.
4.No cycle feature.
5.One also breaks when Padlocked aircraft is more than 2,000 yards away.

Basically, only being used in situations of inclose air combat.

Not being used to indentify,find or artificially aid in tracking.

Still have levels 1 and 2 with unrealistic features that others could use,and host with.

Padlock brings good with bad. In some situations Padlock in its current form in any game I've seen,undermines some desired settings of Id'ing,finding,and tracking aircraft.

In online play,play balancing and fairness is crutial. Padlock is an alternate viewing system thats been heavily critized for its short-cummings in compromising ID'ing,tracking & Locating.

It simply needs to be in the Disabled or Enabled Fields to promote a varity of play

Rattler

posted 04-27- 06:53 AM               

K

THERE YOU ARE rat.

How can we argue if your not around?

anyways ok yes you win put in the switch then
heck I don't even use it so i don't know why I care. I guess its because I want to keep flying with tail and i know he uses padlock.

One thing about padlock. I personally don' think you should have to get the guy in your gunsite to padlock them

WHY? cause thats not how it would happen in the war. You wouldn't move your head in jerks trying to track the guy into your foward view (it using the # pad) in real life so why in a sim.

I really can't come up with a solution except make an area the same size as your guns sight in all the other views usable for locking as a padlock target OR make it so you have to click on them with a mouse cursor (YUCK)

posted 04-27- 12:42 PM               

If it bothers you that much and you don't fly online because of it, or you buy a better modled game then thats good for you, lets face it, it's a game, newer games should be better as they learn from every other games mistakes, and if Il-2 has what you want then I really am happy about that, I fly for fun, and if you aint gettin fun from it for any reason at all, then I'm sure sooner or later you will find one that you like, and I do hope that you do. I don't buy fight sims much, I don't buy many games to tell the truth, so I'm not always looking for this or that being better, just something I like, wether it be a shootem up, or a sim.