posted 04-18- 11:40 AM               

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No this is not about the Doors but about the P47. I was flying a mission last night in the 109K4 (I suck in this plane) and was on the tail of a P47 getting ready to blast it from the sky. Knowing that the 109K4 has very limited ammo I got as close to the P47 as I could. I then open up on the P47, after the second bust the P47 did a flip (went straight up and over, not a loop) and ran into me! I was thinking WOW never seen that before, plus that would be impossible to do in real life. Well maybe I shot something that cause the P47 to do that so I ran the same mission again and the P47 did the same thing again not just that second time but a third time as well! Has anybody seen this happen before?
Himdog out

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posted 04-18- 11:43 AM               

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with the short busrt you may have killed the pilot. for some reason when the pilot dies or bails out the plane will jump up and fall out of the sky.

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posted 04-18- 12:08 PM               

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Didn't know I was that good of a shot
Himdog out

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posted 04-18- 12:20 PM               

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Actually ...

If you look real-close next time you do it, you'll see that you've shot the tail-assembly off so there is no tail-plane to stop the the 47 from flipping on it's wing-axis ...

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posted 04-18- 12:38 PM            

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Actually, that tail flipping is the secret Doomsday Device that Zur placed in the Jug just in case a player decided to try and get real close to destroy one. Don't mess with the Jug

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posted 04-18- 01:01 PM               

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i have see the doomsday thing. I've also have happened many times fly is i hear the tail come off and i loose control but when i go outside the tail is still there. butyet i have no controls. and none of the control surfaces move.

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posted 04-18- 01:08 PM               

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Maybe the Jug have damage model for the control cables getting hit.

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posted 04-18- 01:20 PM               

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Team Jug also used Jim Morrison as the standard pilot for the P-47. As we all know, even in death, he can bend both space and time.

Beware the Jug of the Lizard King.

Mk10=225th=

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posted 04-18- 04:00 PM               

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Thats happened to me a lot with all the 109's and various others.

I'd guess its the pilot losing control by having both arms shot off so he can't eject.......so thats why they put the 2 mg's on top of the engine cowling!

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posted 04-18- 11:08 PM              

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Himdog,

I tried over and over to duplicate your situation and couldn't. I shot the hell out of the tail of the 47 and all it did is disinigrate, but no high-G pull-out.
I shot the hell out of the pilot at what the state patrol would consider "an unsafe distance" and still coundn't get the same effects. I envy you, but still find the "close encounter" fun, so thanks for that...
Psi

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posted 04-18- 11:37 PM            

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That might have been the Jug squadron, "Riders On The Storm".

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posted 04-19- 09:40 PM              

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Himdog,

Well after about 25 tries " I DID IT " I'm
so proud of myself. There I was sucking on the tailpipe of my foe the "Hog"
Flying my 109f4 so close I could smell his aftershave. Shooting and firing aiming for the cockpit when all of a sudden I capped the lucky one.
The 47 learched skyward at like the little soldier on a friday night.
The round seemed to illuminate the tail region indicating that it is a structrural failure.
To verify this I "F5"ed out of my 109 and into the sinking 47. As I had conjectured the pilot was still kicking, but the plane was dead, I mean dead. Sinking tail first like a rock. Absolutly no control, no roll, no rudder, no stabalizer. I thought that the
round may have hit the prop, but I couldn't get it to stop counter rotating to see it.
I "F3"ed to see what I could see and nothing.
Wings intact, everything on the exterior was
fine.
I have no answers only conclusions, and I'll end by saying DUH, I DUNNO!!!
Psi

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posted 04-20- 03:21 AM            

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I saw this the first time yesterday. Unfortunately I have no idea what's wrong. None at all. All I know is that something's weird with the tail of the P47. It comes off easily, despite having way too high obHits.
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/Bjorn.

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posted 04-20- 11:37 AM               

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slk, on the three times that the P47 did the "Morrison Flip" I was not able to F5 over to the P47 because there was nothing just pieces from both planes falling to the ground. Now come to think of it just before the "Morrison Flip" I believe I heard "I am the Lizard King, I can do anything" Did team Jug put that in there? I've also seen when the Jug is load with heavy bombs, that sometime it will only drop 2 of them (with the 3rd bomb on the left wing still there). Then after chasing down the P47 and just staying behind him and watching, the P47 will drop the last bomb! Very cool I do believe that Jim must be the pilot! I'm not saying there is a bug in the P47(love that plane), I just wanted to let everyone hear about the "Strange Days".
Himdog out

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posted 04-20- 11:54 AM               

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>All I know is that something's weird with the tail of the P47. It comes off easily, despite having way too high obHits.

Bjorn, this is probably wrong, but this might be a clue...
A couple months ago, Zurawski and I had discussions about weakening the tail of the P-47. Prior to having dorsal fillets built in or retrofitted, the tail assemblies of bubble-top Thunderbolts were indeed prone to catastrophic failure at high speeds. Now, I don't know what was done to model this in our plane, but do you think this might be why the tail is acting strange?

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posted 04-20- 03:08 PM              

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Bjorn, JT, Himdog,

After further research I conclude that it has something to do with the bullet hit count on the overall A/C.
I went back in and on several occasions was able to duplicate the "Morrison Flip". I shot the piss out of the thing and the tail remained intact when the "Flip" occured, ( I
heard "Father, Yes son, I WANT TO KILL YOU")
But maybe Doors experience is of another dimention. Anyway, the plane is dead at this point, like a person.
I will conclude with, "This is the end"
Psi

[This message has been edited by slk (edited 04-20-2000).]

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posted 04-30- 05:40 PM              

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After further, further review I conclude I don't know the cause of the "Morrison Flip" I was just in a furball in the yak and approched the last remaining of 5 misc. German fighters. I was single shooting him so I know that I hit the 190K4 with a single round and it did the "Morrison Flip"
Good thing I was in the Yak and able to dodge the plane. But the point is, that the P47 is not the only plane here to do this. Maybe it is a cut cable, but the AI didn't recover...
Psi

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