posted 04-17- 08:54 PM               

5.3B is not a patch that some people was working on since they didn't like the miss-matches online. 5.3B was an Offical project that was started by OPP the makings of the Planepacks and most of the stuff for the online standard.

5.3B was made due to 5 things.

1. 262 pilot veiw was bad making it very hard to fly in combat.

2. Lanc CTD (Crash to Desktop) during missions. This was later found out to be not a problem if the planes didn't run out of fuel under AI control.

3. 5.2 lanc was released but wasn't fully embraced. Causing Plane Mis-matches online.

4. 262.sm fix was released but wasn't fulling embraced. Causing Plane Mis-Matches online.

5. Problems with 5.3a install, since the readme said something other then where it should have went, leading to mis-matches online.

We then starting working on a patch to fix the patch

Then d0gma stepped forward to helpus by putting the patch in a full blown installer to help fix problems with the install of a zip file.

After many many nights of testing we felt that the patch should be the standard sicne we flew it for a full weekend and never once had any problems with installing and flying it online.

only mis-matches was contest planes.

Kopper asked that we release it to the public for more testing to iron everything out. He also asked us to call it beta just in case there was problems.

There was very few problems with it and most was small and could be fixed quick.

Kopper then told us that everything was working great for us to go ahead and release it as the offical Online standard.

Now i'm hearing that 5.3B is just a beta that me and d0gma was just playing around with.

I would like to say that this is NOT the case. We've been working on this for about a week to get it to look good and run great.

We feel this is now finish and should be added to the online standard.

To keep things smooth we would like to ask the community if they want to use 5.3B as the new standard.

i would also like to point out that 108 people have download the patch since it's been out.

Thanks

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Tony "Razer" Martin

http://www.fshangar.com

posted 04-17- 09:06 PM               

Glad to see you guys got this done

posted 04-17- 11:15 PM               

I vote it be made standard. It already is for me.

posted 04-17- 11:32 PM               

Not to sound harsh but it is already the standard. People that don't use it won't be flying much I guess. Cause everyone I flew with the last 2 days were using it.

posted 04-18- 04:06 PM               

You can lead a frat boy to the bar, but you can't make him drink good beer I guess...

There WILL be a new version of the Corsairs soon, but my objective is for it to be included in the next plane pack, if that is going to be produced in a reasonable amount of time.

posted 04-18- 08:54 PM               

"Hopefully this will put some of the conflicts behind us, but I find I still can't join any games because I dont have this version of the I16 or that version of the F4U.. ugh "

I don't fly anymore because of such things. I read about dictators etc and bit my lip so I didn't go spouting off about how I have been harping on the issue for some time now. I remember when the 109s and zeros 1st coming out ruined on-line play and I quit for a while....I tryed to come back only to find WWI had taken over and the planes were changing nearly nightly (or so it seemed) I tried my best to have my posts not come out like a frustarated ass but I am sure I failed. Everyone ether ignored the problem or were to hardcore to F***ing care. which group were you in? Now you see the light eh? yes I know I'm probably looking like a jerk posting this... believe me when I say that I wish you were not experancing these problems but now you know how I have felt since the 109s, zeros, and WWI planes fucked up on-line play, for I would think more then just me. My fault was not suggesting way back in OCT-NOV a solution. I am probably not smart enough to come up with one other then plane makers waiting on plane packs and maybe having one PP per month so they don't have to wait as long.

Since "my" sim FS isn't even on my hd anymore I would not be qualified to be Dictator but I wouldn't mind being the patron saint of the on-line standred. hehe I think I was nearly the only one who bothered to even bitch about it for ny half year...siggi where the hell where you? Some time FS must be now if everyones now bitching about it.

To all the plane makers...love the work you guys put into this game but until you guys learn to respect the PPacks you have ruined this game for on-line play... if you whine back saying the plane packs take to long then get a group together and put one out. Personaly I think the game would do fine if there where one PP big or small per month. Anything quicker then once per month is a step in the wrong direction.

Just think...~~~~~~Gee my superfly snuka ver1.3576 is ready now...but I think I can squeeze a working wigit in time for it to be published with this months pp.~~~~~~

posted 04-18- 09:15 PM               

Sorry for offending anyone just had to say something

If at sometime in the future there becomes such thing as an on-line standerd, (i.e. like the days of FM5.1 when PPs were respected and were all you needed) Please feel free to e-mail me at seeonfusion@hotmail.com when its safe to fly FS again. I don't even have time to lurk on the forum but once in a while but would love to fly FS again.

Gday all my Fw-190 cockpit stands empty but not forgotten ...ok ok so I left a pic of jade in there so I have to come back to the plane someday.... but under what name ...hmm

posted 04-18- 09:35 PM               

All that is asked of ppl flying these planes is to post it in the game name that they create.

I don't see how what we have now could be any worse than rushed buggie PP's released as online standard before they are readym which would be the case by releasing the too quickly. I personaly don't have a problem with ppl releasing their a/c as soon as they can.. I think it stems some from the great belief in freedom of speech and expression, we have a standard, it's set done and is all but bug free. If you don't have WW1 planes (as I don't to be honest) then don't join a mission flying them..

I dunno, I'm sorry that things got so bad as you left SDOE, but then hell, lifes a bitch {shrug} I'm pretty happy with what I got, and all the things being released for it recently.. infact so happy with them I'm hoping that along with the next PP, someone would be good enough to put together a small ground units pack to make recent additions from mposis and myself standard, I'm sure there are alot more units in the pipe work, cause neither of us are sat here doing nothing

Anyway, whatever.. I'm happy with it, and everything above is a long winded way of saying just that I guess.

~Nat~

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JV~44 "Naturlich"

If you can't beat em.... out run em!
there again, you could go buy a shiny new F4U, and kick some butt!!!
<b>Nats FS-SDOE Site</b>

posted 04-18- 10:02 PM               

Unless its changed one big problem is that there arn't enough people flying on-line to have games to choose from. I remember very well the week or so I couldn't fly combat because every game was about flying through the fucking tunnels and landing in the castle. Sure it was ok once or twice but these people went nuts with it. Because of the limited number of people it was ether fly in the fucking spyder fairy circus or sit there and stare at the lobby walls. With more people you would have more then one mission up at wonce and have more choice. If I didn't want to down load the god forsaken SE5 then when they went nuts with WWI then I could sit and stare at the lobby walls hoping some poor sod actually wanted to fly WWII also.

Enough people usually for one game at a time.
Majority want to fly the lattest superfly snuka then the minority doesn't have much choice....oh sure they could host thiere own mission with all of 2 people haha.

FS on-line so called standerd is a joke and has been for some time. I do hear you about rushed PPs but hell then you turn around give a nod to rushed planes...

before the fire hits I would like to say that I still think this is the best sim around...just a confused mess and not playable on-line unless you have a freaking 8 hour block to fly for 15 minutes. Add a damage bug to that...... I'll quit while I'm behind lol

posted 04-18- 10:48 PM               

I'd happily fly something else but even with the warts SDOE is the best thing out there so I keep giving it a shot.

TS

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Patch It!

TS Aircombat

posted 04-19- 12:59 AM               

This sim would be long dead without people creating new stuff for it. I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest about airplane models here, but I find the ASSUMPTION that anything in a plane pack is "perfect" and anything that isn't is "trash that ruins the game" to be a bit more than mildly offensive.

The 109 and Zero screwed up the sim??? What absolute bull. The 109 and Zero SAVED this sim, and the WWI planes gave it new life.

Blaming guys who put a lot of time and effort into GIVING something to the community, instead of doing something YOURSELF to solve the problem is pretty weak.

The only thing "F****d up" around here is the attitude that only SOME people are "smart enough" to build a "good plane" for online play.

posted 04-19- 02:01 AM               

1. If there is a "sort of" standard such as PP5.3b, it appears that these are always put out as .PAR files. If I remove any "plane" files which are not .PAR files, will that make my computer go back to "on-line" standard?

2. If there are some files which I can leave IN, then what are they? Sound files? Cockpit files? (I'd really love to keep these in ) Other terrain files? etc. Does the checking algorithm only check those files which affect the FLIGHT of the aircraft and the damage to aircraft?

3. Just say I have the WWI aircraft installed, and a Zero sitting in there somewhere, will I still get ejected if the planes which are required for a particular game are all Standard, and the WWI aircraft and the Zero (just as examples, mind you) are still installed BUT NOT BEING USED?

Thanks,
MW

PS the main reason I have never played on line, is that there is never anybody there when I am awake ... compared, dare I say, to Red Baron, when there is nearly ALWAYS someone waiting around in an Arena ...

The one time I "made contact", guess what? ... I had the wrong Plane Pack!

[This message has been edited by Mark_Walsh (edited 04-19-2000).]

posted 04-19- 02:22 AM               

3. As for sound, cockpit, etc....this could get a bit complicated, but sounds...no matter. You can use whatever you like, it does not affect anything but you. Same with skins, cockpits, like that. It is my understanding that it is only the planes that can cause online mismatches, but I could be wrong. For instance, the Akagi...if one has it, and the other doesn't, then the one without may not be able to fly in that mission if it calls for it. Or if one has version 1, and the other has version 1.2; well, smarter minds than mine would need to advise on that.

Sorry for the length; hope I didn't ramble much, and that the information was helpful. If I am incorrect in any of it, someone please correct it for me.

Hope to see ya online!

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nealg=FC=
* I should note; if you do get a aircraft mismatch, the host will not get the message which plane it is, but the player will. If this occurs, don't be afraid to let the host know...the incorrect version could be the host's, and not yours. It is difficult, but try to remember which version - or at least which date - of the add on planes you have.

[This message has been edited by nealg (edited 04-19-2000).]

posted 04-19- 10:29 PM               

What you say makes sense intrinsically. Cosmetic stuff: OK
Non-matched planes: OK as long as they are not called to be used by the particular Mission.

That: I can live with and make a little batch file to pull out the non-standard planes anyways ...