posted 04-01- 08:14 PM               

Do we really need to fly ALL of the new planes online TODAY!!!!!!!!!!
M.H. is gone for a couple of days and everybody freaks out. The official release is comming, DAMN can't you wait a couple of days.

This is getting to be like a bunch of little kids in a sandbox fighting over the newest toys. Its totally out of control. There are over 400 people registered on this board most of whom probably just read it and don't post. If you were new to SDOE and just found this board, and had no idea what is going on
and saw all this crap what would you think?
Hell, I know whats going on and I still think its getting to be more trouble than its worth.

Razor makes a pack and everybody jumps his ass because its not official and stuff was left out. You were all itching to DL it though weren't ya.

Spoonman has the right idea but will he get the cooperation and TIME he needs to do it?
I can only hope.

Did you ever think that MAYBE a lot of people are staying offline till these problems are solved.

Zoycite I saw your---contribute or get out-- reply to Nat. GOOD ONE!! That kind of elitist bullshit will absoultely clear up the situation. If all of us who aren't open plane guru's followed your inciteful directions and left there would probably be a whopping 30 members left in this community. I'm sure that shooting down the same guys over and over and over and over and over would be a lot of fun.

posted 04-02- 11:48 AM               

I don't know how I would feel if I just got the game and happened to find this forum. Then trying to sort out what I need.

Patch 1.5
Plane Pack 5.3 / a
Keyboard instructions.
All the add ons / where to put them.
How do I use Winzip to unzip into the right directory? (If I had not used it before)

I think that before we ring the bell and say "Look here, SDOE has some great new stuff" we should make it easier for the new people we are trying to attract.

Everyone should be free to contribute if they want or can. There are things I wish I could change, but I don't know how. So for some their contribution is to point out what they would like to see change. Newer members to this forum don't know that it may have been mentioned 100 times before but they are tring to contribute to make the game a little more enjoyable to themselves as well as others.

So Chill out (enjoy the game)
Say what you think (don't expect everyone to agree with you)
Do what you can to make things better (especially for new people)

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Raiders Site

posted 04-02- 01:30 PM               

Bullet you obvioulsy didnt read the thread that went along with Nat ranting. And after his bashing of the guys working "for free" to make this game better for all, I had this to say.

"Criticism can be constructive and helpful if voiced right. Merly stating that F@^#*'n this and S&%# that isnt really much of a help especially when you are trying to get people motivated to try to correct issues that you find anoying.

Helping or contributing isnt just modeling or skins or even terrains, but as working with a group to achieve a common goal. Even simple beta testing for a project can help more than you could ever know. But simple irate ranting isnt the answer IMO."

I still feel this way and probably always will. And yes if people new or old simply want to degrade others work with useless insults, then I still have this to say. Enjoy B17-II.

I guess what that means is if you can only bitch and offer no "consturctive" critisim, by merly stating something, like "PP.5.4....I shit it" then yes if you have nothing to offer in the way of help, then Dont BITCH!"

And Raider is very correct in that this the same stuff we have been hearing for over a year now and really you just get a little sick of it.

Bullet Flame away, cause really it dosnt bother me in the least =P

Oh and BTW I thought it was already the same 30 guys to shoot at

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visit The War Paint Factory

posted 04-02- 07:47 PM               

Now I expect that you have bitched at me so much because you were one of the team that put it together, thats ok, defend it if you can, but I'm sorry, in 5.2 I never found bugs, and like I said, the bugs in 5.3 are little things, OK, I don't build planes, but is it so hard to put the map views right, or at the very least to release the patch for the 262 (which I've now been asked for alot, and given out).

Don't talk to me about having to wait for 5.4 so that 5.3 will work, thats plain stupid, finish what you start, we're all having to use this. That contribute or leave shit is wearing really really thin, and is so predicatable I knew someone would use it, thats why I didn't say don't bother in my origonal post, so that we could slap the person down for being so damn lame when it was used.

I might have gone OTT or been somewhat offensive in my comments, but hey, lifes a bitch aint it. To me there's no better sim out there, I love it, and I love the stuff the guys are making, and I suspect the lack of patches for 5.3 is none of the actual builders faults, since the 262 has a patch that the "team" never released.

I stick by everything I said, because it wasn't exaggerated, or untrue, just plain simple facts that seem to have hit a nerve.. truth does hurt sometimes.

It is wrong, and bad practice to consider a new plane pack before the one we're using is fixed, UNLESS the bugs are so bad that a patch would be as big as the pack itself, but in the case of 5.3 I doubt that very much.

Oh, I see by your ideas on what "contribution" actually is that you now say I do contribute, well, there's one point gained

Oh, degrade others work with useless insults... hmmm... well, insults are usually lies, sorry, I haven't lied about anything yet, and the builders degraded their own work if any degridation was made, the simple fact of being happy releasing a project and leaving it bug filled kinda speaks for itself IMO.

Now I don't see that there's much point in me posting about this again, because the simple facts are obvious to all. Reaper has said there is work in progress to fix the bugs, and that is so good to hear, and to be very much commended. And once fixed, 5.3 will be a great base to build future packs upon.

Again I say, Yes, this has been very much a flame, BUT, don't be fooled by it into thinking the work isn't appreciated, if the work wasn't appreciated, you'd never have gotten this flame from the usually quiet and reserved ~Nat~ I don't bitch about things that mean nothing to me, I bitch to prevoke a response, and that I have gotten, and in Reaper, the response I was looking for, that this is being looked into, and for others, that yes, it matters to us out here whats going on. We care.

hhmmm.. rather a long post, damn I hope I worded it right.

~Nat~

posted 04-02- 08:22 PM               

One thing I learned working in the gaming community is that you have to aim for the lowest common denominator when you release something. I am NOT saying that is what should be done here, BUT, the easier things are for the end users the happier everybody will be. When something is put out for general release and it isn't just perfect and easy to use people will complain(like many have about the initial release of this sim). Right now getting online and the online standard are a lot more trouble than they should be. I really don't have this problem cause when I go online there is usually nobody there.

By setting the game up this way MH has inadvertently created a SDOE post production company. People producing planes, terrains, ground objects, skins, and more all at a rate that the best shops would be proud of.
I am working of a bunch of skins, when I am happy with the quality level they will be free to the world if someone will post them. I'm sure that everyone is proud of their work and wants to show off. But the speed at which all the new releases are comming is obviously causing mass confusion. Not to mention mis-matches.

posted 04-02- 09:49 PM               

I also have to disagree with having to put out patch after pacth to get a plane pack up to your standards. This only causes even more confusion IMO. Again PP 5.3 was a great improvement from 5.2 and I'm egerly awaiting PP 5.4. Good Luck Kopper and crew

Oh and yes life is a bitch, so I guess you'll be stuck with 5.3. Get used to it.

And since this getting to be like beating a dead horse, I will no longer comment on this subject.

{Yawn}

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Zoycite 33rd~GS

visit The War Paint Factory

posted 04-02- 10:11 PM               

I am aware of bugs in the lanc and the 262. They have been acknowledged and have been fixed pending the release of 5.3b. What other bugs are there?

posted 04-02- 10:19 PM               

5.3 has been considered standard for approx. 2 months(give or take a couple of weeks)and is soon to be changed to reflect the contest release. People are already giving up on 5.3 and waiting for 5.4 (I dumped mine and went back to 5.2). I am as guilty of DL madness as everybody else. I have the Corsairs and I jumped on Razer's Ki-61 the day he posted it.

Does anybody know who is flying what? Maybe we should post a roster of callsigns and what you are flying. What ever PP has the most users should be online standard. A standard change shouldn't be made till like 30 or 40% are using the new pack. Advanced warning should be given when the change is made. If I remember right the change to 5.3 was made over 1 weekend with like 2 days notice. Thats a pretty abrupt change.

I really think we need to step back and organize a little.

posted 04-02- 11:20 PM               

I stopped dl'ing

Stopped installing

Stopped playing online.

Pretty much paused playing all together and am considering stopping reading up here also

Almost....

Maybe in a month the smoke will clear along with an addition from Mike H. and his crew.

I do agree with Official Quartly Releases.

And an Online Schedule of when folks can be found flying "X" Version of.........

a.WWI / WWII aircraft

b. PPX

C. PatchX

to avoid ALL confusion.

Given the Nature of SDoE and its Open Plane Design with its many developers this is simply destined to happen.

We need an Organized Schedule of Servers, PP's,Era of Aircraft,Patch Ver., Online Settings to be used, ect.

Its the only way

posted 04-02- 11:50 PM               

TS

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TS Aircombat

posted 04-03- 08:15 AM               

Please, DO chill out

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WWI in SDOE!

posted 04-03- 08:44 AM               

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posted 04-03- 09:19 AM               

The map problem with the 190s will not be fixed because I don't know how. Since you said "it doesn't take too much to fix", maybe you can tell me how.

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Glad I had my seatbelt on...

posted 04-03- 02:11 PM               

But, you gotta break thru a mentality thats hard to penatrate first,and disfigure some pretty big ego's along the road.

posted 04-03- 05:44 PM               

TS

posted 04-03- 07:34 PM               

mposis, as I think I said, I don't/can't build aircraft, so it's news to me in all honesty that it's so hard to fix, but easier to build the whole thing. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not getting at you, it really was never said when the bugs list was first posted and added to that this was just too hard to fix.

Given that it is too hard to fix I accept that fully and completly as an answer, because it is an answer, and I know now that other than me distributing the patch for the 262 to those that want it (including a note not to try and use this patch online due to causing mismatches) that 5.3a can't and wont be patched. I'm happy with this because it's a definitive answer to all thats left of the bugs in 5.3a.

Thankyou for informing us that it can't easily be done, and a further patch will therefore not be forthcomming to fix this. Now I look forward to 5.4 becuase I know alot must have been learnt from 5.3

Thanks guys

~Nat~

the quote was "it can't take much to fix them and roll it up with the patch for the 262 thats already done and post a B patch surely"

having put the word "surely" to the end of the sentance, I thereby made it a question not a statement, I can't make a statement about something I don't know for sure.