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Topic: Guys, you can't keep doing this.
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Jv44~Siggi
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posted 04-01- 06:24 AM
   
Making packs, releasing them, finding faults and posting little fix-suggestions on the forum, releasing patches, then another pack, along-side other existing packs...it's utter bloody chaos guys! What's the online standard now? PP5.3 or the contest pack?I suggest that this community elects a dictator. No, I'm not joking. We need one guy or gal who is empowered by the rest of us to decide what is in, what is pending and what is out, no power of appeal from the community. There is no leadership here and it's killing SDoE completely. And no, I do not want the job. Fack me, do I look THAT masochistic? Hehe!  Seriously guys, a strong hand is needed. IP: Logged |
Jv44~Siggi
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posted 04-01- 06:58 AM
Ok, I've refined my idea.We need: One dictator. His/her focus = stable and enjoyable online flying.
Total control of the Online Standard. Ten commited volunteer testers. They need a fast connection (for downloads) and infinite patience. One chief mechanic who will host all files on his/her web-site. The process: The dictator will decide the online standard as of now. From then, any new items must be submitted to the dictator. The dictator will inform the testers who will test the new item with the online standard. If it passes it is given to the chief mechanic to make available for general release. The dictator announces the new item to the community.
The testing must be rigorous. No item will be passed until it is sure that it causes no problems online. The dictator's decision, under advice from the testers, is FINAL. In my opinion, if this course of action is not employed SDoE online will remain on it's present course...down. Newbies are sticking their heads around the door, taking one look and screaming "Fuck THAT for a game of coconuts!!!" Only the hard-core are sticking around, our community is shrinking daily and all the hard work is being appreciated by fewer and fewer simmers. We are doing ourselves no service here as things stand. We are a ship with no helmsman, going around and around in ever decreasing circles. It sucks, big time. Let's hear some views. I'm off. "Run away, run away!!!" IP: Logged |
Jerry
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posted 04-01- 10:52 AM
Unfortunately we can't schedule creativity. The confusion we are seeing now arises from the fact that so much has hit at once: contest planes and updates, WWI planes and updates, Nations, planepak 5.3 and 5.3a, several betas, a new terrain and coming shortly a WWI PlanePak (I'm sure I'm leaving something out). The contest also kept a lot of people from debugging activity also. It's exciting but overwhelming. I agree, this is bound to scare Newbie's away. It does need to get more organized but maybe not so drastically. Having the latest PlanePak as the online standard seemed to be working until recently. Maybe if we had one site for online standard d/l's only and nothing else would help. All other downloads could have warnings that they are for offline and prearranged online "testing" only and not to be used in PlanePack labeled lobbies. This will require some self discipline. Maybe a 3rd site for downloads that don't affect online like SDOE Control, DMC, etc. Just some early morning thoughts. IP: Logged |
Jv44~Siggi
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posted 04-01- 11:17 AM
I hear what you're saying Jerry, but unfortunately there is little self-discipline here. Naturally enough, the guys want to see their creations in-game as soon as poss, even when they know they're unfinished.
It would be frustrating I'm sure, but new items need to be perfected and then put in a testing queue before being released into the game.
I don't believe half-measures would be sucessful. We need one person elected with total control, a helmsman. I can think of a couple of people I'd nominate but not until/if this idea achieves popular support. It makes perfect sense to me but I can anticipate how many would resent having to follow a disciplined schedule for the overall benefit of the game and it's community.
Maybe that's why coup detats (?) are often invoked.
I'm running out of suggestions. Everything gets nayed or twisted out of shape, resulting in the status-quo remaining just that. Call it the static-quo.
Is everyone content with the way things are going here? Is there nobody we can trust to elect?
Ah nuts to it.IP: Logged |
nealg
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posted 04-01- 12:37 PM
I have to agree, Siggi, something is definitely needed to establish a online standard that is universally accepted and understood. Offline, sky is the limit..but online, I must have this ( insert it here )..no more, no less. The reasons have been covered and recovered, no need for my pathetic wanderings to repeat them. Heck, half the time when I run across someone new, I never know what URL to send them too to get the downloads. Nat's site contains everything I believe one should need..but now there are...well, you all know.I may have missed something somewhere, too, but I thought the contest planes were to be viewed and voted on from offline play. I never had any intent to use them online, but seems like everytime I showed up, I needed one or more. It is frustrating even to us 'oldsters'. It's a good idea as a hypothesis...but how to implement it is going to be nigh on to impossible. IMHO Later: now I see both Razor and Whirlwind have contest plane packs...so, which to use?
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nealg=FC=
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Jv44~Siggi
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posted 04-01- 01:36 PM
Yeah, I've even seen a "Semi-pack"...jeez! It's getting to be like a bunch of blind retards trying to find a black cat in a coal cellar at night with the lights turned off. Certainly makes ME feel like a retard, trying to anticipate what I'll need to fly online.
Still, if everyone is content with things the way they are, good luck to them. I'm going to save my energy for more fruitful projects from here on in. IP: Logged |
Nat
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posted 04-01- 02:12 PM
I have to agree with you Siggi.... I don't find it a bad thing posting new packs, but I do believe that the "Pack" must be tested, and not the individual a/c put in it, to clarify, test all the aircraft, but they must be tested from a Plane Pack, as we've seen with a very recent plane pack which only had tests done on the planes in it, and not the pack itself.. things can go a little squew wiff.Having a "fat Controller" is about the best idea. I don't think the team asembled would need to test all aircraft, but certainly those that are put forward for the next pack in line. But again, the pack itself must be tested. I do have to say though, that I do appreciate all the work being put in by the ppl creating the packs, maybe it's sounded like I don't recently, but if I didn't, then you wouldn't see such adverse reactions from me at the thought of things not being put right. And Thanks to you Nealg, I'm glad that in some way I've got my site right I know I get alot of hits, so I guess I must be doing something right huh? lol Razor... thanks for the competition pack, I doubt I'll have trouble for it, but could you post on it to clarify 1. the install (i.e. the need to delete these a/c from the aircraft folder) 2. The validity of this pack i.e. Are these the aircraft we now vote on. Thnaks Guys ~Nat~ IP: Logged |
Razor747
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posted 04-01- 03:49 PM
Nat,
The Contest Plane Pack is just all the aircraft that has been released for the contest and some that were not entered. I just did it because people were having a hard time online with the mismatches. If it is not needed, I will delete it off of my server. The best way to install it is to reinstall SDOE, Patch 1.5, then the extra Par files. That is what I did and it works good for me.------------------
Thanks, James "Razor747" Smith 
Check out the SDOE Flight Line! I am constantly adding new things. Click on image above to go to my site.
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Nat
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posted 04-01- 05:14 PM
CC Razor.. just seemed to be a lil confusion out there, thats why I mentioned itIP: Logged |
mposis
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posted 04-01- 07:03 PM
I thought planepack 5.3a was the online standard. If people stick with the standard then we shouldn't have any problems. IP: Logged |
Jv44~Siggi
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posted 04-04- 02:27 PM
bump for Mk, a like-minded bloke. IP: Logged |
Mark_Walsh
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posted 04-05- 02:30 AM
Would putting all the Plane-Pack beta messages in a Plane-Pack Beta section of the Bulletin Board be an improvement?I think it would, because as a part time player only, there is a lot of confusing information on the board. I do suspect that Newbies would well and truly be overwhelmed. Remember that this is the MAIN board for ALL FSSDOE users. Confusion is the last thing that FSSDOE (or its successors) need to have associated with the game. Any other takers? Salute!
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Cpt Farrel
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posted 04-05- 02:41 AM
Last time I checked there was an online standard download at the hangar (PP5.3?)
So there's the sollution right? There is an online standard, if everybody uses it there'll be no mismatches right? IP: Logged |
Crankshaft
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posted 04-05- 05:44 AM
Crankshaft "Looks around" as all take 2 steps back! I voulenteer for testing duty!
DSL connection, semi retired, (not in the mood for a real job),lots of time to fly.
Love SDOE. Just Call Me Chuck!
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