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ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-27- 08:01 PM Um... ok, not to insult anyone, but the Go-229s flight handling characteristis kinda stink. Any reason why? I have read test flight info. on the first one that flew and it was reported that she handled quite well. Can anyone update this flight model? IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 03-27- 08:10 PM When I created the Go229, right off the start it had severe control issues. With Panzer's help some of it's flaws got lessened, but it still is bad. I think in order to improve on it it needs to be taken apart, re-assimilated into an existing good flying airplane (I used the Me262 as a starting foundation) and then tweaked all over again. It'd be a lot of work but I think in the long run it could be a great flying airplane. If anyone wants to meet the challenge, by all means go for it. I've found that by importing parts into OPS, that the less you have to move the new part around (or not to move it at all) when importing into the existing airplane (the 262), the FM will stay in tact. But when you end up disrupting the original FM that's when things (like the existing 229) get really out of whack. I wish I had lots of time because I'd work on it all over again, but I just don't have the amount of free time that I did earlier this year. But to anyone who wants to meet the challenge, since it is my airplane design, you have my OK to go ahead and revamp all you want. Just give updates on your progress here. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-27- 08:33 PM Someone please do this!! Hehe I really want to dogfight this baby! I would do it myself but I know nothing of the workings of this game. IP: Logged
Jerry Pilot	posted 03-27- 11:42 PM Argon, even the FM were spot on you wouldn't be doing much dogfighting...at least not for very long. The Go229 was strictly a high speed interceptor for bombers. The plans were that it would be escorted by ME262's. It would be fun to fly though if you could control it better. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 03-27- 11:45 PM Dumb question.. I move the rudder and the plane yaws but I can't see any control surfaces moving.. how does the go229 yaw? TS IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-28- 08:00 PM Im glad to see someone working on it! IP: Logged
Pete Hawk Pilot	posted 03-28- 08:35 PM TS, I "think" when I made the initial model flyable, I just deleted the LOD for the rudder. The part (FM speaking) is there but the LOD isn't. If you extract the sm file you should be able to just add a LOD where the rudder is listed and it should work, so you can at least set it up easier (see the thing). IP: Logged
Biggles Pilot	posted 03-28- 10:26 PM to get the real thing to yaw, it would have had 'airbrake' type things on the tips of the wings. this would cause the particular wing to slow down, producing the yawing motion! pretty cool when you think about the fact that they (the Horton brothers) were thinking about this in early the 's IP: Logged
Biggles Pilot	posted 03-28- 10:26 PM to get the real thing to yaw, it would have had 'airbrake' type things on the tips of the wings. this would cause the particular wing to slow down, producing the yawing motion! pretty cool when you think about the fact that they (the Horton brothers) were thinking about this in early the 1930's IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-29- 07:03 AM Someone keep me updated please on how the flightmodel is going. The G0-229 is basicly my faavorite wwII jet. I fell in love with her when I got SWOTL (Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe) IP: Logged
goth Pilot	posted 03-29- 09:06 AM Could this be a way to fake elevons on the go229. I haven't built a plane, so admittedly I could be way off here. However... Since the engine won't support elevons we can't make real ones. Can a flap or a rudder be placed under each wing in the approriate space. The range of motion could be limited by the DOF (now I'm getting into stuf I really don't know anything about), so that when you pull the stick left, the control surfaces respond by lowering the left "rudder" on the undersurface of the wing, while lifting the upper surface. In effect forcing an elevon-type action. If the undersurface rudder had the right properties, it just might not only look right, but it might aid in controlling the craft in turns. Just a thought...I know I should get Hippie's tools and try it myself if I think I'm so smart. But I thought I'd drop the idea on the board first, just in case I'm dreaming and need to leave plane building to the pro's. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-29- 09:05 PM Hmmm... this sounds interesting, but I am no expert. IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 03-30- 01:26 AM Just saw an excellent history of the flying wing on the discovery channel.. found out that Edwards airforce base is named after a test pilot that was killed flying an 8 engine jet powered flying wing developed by the US after world war II. Lots of good footage of it flying around and the controls moving, interesting stuff. Apparently there were persistant problems with all the flying wings they developed, even after adding vertical stabilizers the plane had a tendancy to yaw around and had generally poor handling that wasn't solved until the recent devevlopments in computer controlled flight. TS ------------------ TS Aircombat IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-30- 07:01 AM I just hope someone fixes the flight handeling to possibly "what might have ben" if the Germans continued testing... IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 03-30- 08:58 AM Hey Tail, Did you ever see "The Wing WILL Fly" A very excellent documetary (2 hours I believe)on the Northrop wing. Remember that the Northrop wing was a bomber. It was critical that as a bombing platform it be very stable (I have heard statements that it was and that it wasnt). The Go229 was an interceptor. I have heard both sides of the argument and IMHO we will never know what the true handling of the Northrop wing was much less the German wing. I DO know that the YB49 (Northrop) was involved very much in politics at the time and I suspect thats really why they (the govt) went with the B-36 instead. ------------------ Snickers =FC= IP: Logged
Tailslide Pilot	posted 03-30- 10:03 AM They must have had a reason for tacking vertical stabs on it IP: Logged
goth Pilot	posted 03-30- 10:52 AM Although I'm loathe to berate my favorite plane ever made, I have to agree with Tail on all flying wings till modern times. I love the GO229, but you really have to wonder if it would have been that successful. Alot of people tried to make wings for 40 years after the war. Some flew poorly, some flew only after vertical stabilizers were added. It wasn't until we had vectored thrust and computer assisted flight that a total wing was possible, and then the original 229 was consulted for its charateristics. As it was designed, the 229 probably would have been fast, and flew a straight line very well. I bet it would climb fast too. But rolls, turns, and other manuvers would have put her on a very unstable position. Maybe those of us who love the 229 should consider what the craft would have looked like after more testing, and make a final production verson. One that looks just like a 229, but has vert-stabs on it. It is really possible that such might have been the final result. It might have been a great idea ahead of its time and technology, and the desiners might have had to cheat their final vision if they wanted a plane capable of the goals the 229 was designed for. IP: Logged
Snickers Pilot	posted 03-30- 11:05 AM Thank you goth, you just made my argument for me. As a fast interceptor it wouldn't need rolls or fast turns. Get a stright line run on your target, zoom away and set up the next pass. As a bomber or fighter it would have been a flop. It would have had one mission: Kill Allied bombers. The Horten XVIII was the bomber version. Never built, but it would have had the same problems the XB-35 did. ------------------ Snickers =FC= [This message has been edited by Snickers (edited 03-30-2000).] IP: Logged
Mighty Pilot	posted 03-30- 02:28 PM I saw one documentary on the YB-49 where they interviewed a pilot. His comments explain the confusion about its stability. He said that the plane was stable from a pilot's point of view. But not from a bombadier's. In any plane, unless you coordinate the turn perfectly you'll end up with a little yaw as you roll out. In a conventional plane the yaw will oscillate back and forth a couple of times and naturally damp itself out. With the YB-40 it'll continue oscillating just by one degree or so for quite awhile. He said an Air Force bombadier got motion sick while trying to line up for bomb runs during testing. So from a control standpoint the plane could be made stable back then. But it made a poor bombing platform when used with the bombing systems of the time. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-30- 07:02 PM This is an exert from the book WAR PLANES FIGHTERS I about the Horten (later called Gotha) "The Ho IX V2 was completed with a pair of 1,890 lb.s.t. Jumo 004B-1 turbojets and flew successfully with these, attaining speeds of the order of 500 m.p.h." But.... the planes crashed when a fire started on one of the engines. Before the Ho got her engines however, she flew very successful as a glider. The project to buld these fighters continued, but was soon ended by the time of the end of WWII. I dont believe the Germans would continue into the production unless they thought the plane was stable. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 03-30- 07:31 PM Another fact I thought Id share about the Go229.... "The first Gotha-built prototype was designated Go229V3, and was powered by Jumo 004C turbojets with enlarged, redesigned air intakes. This aircraft was about to commence flight testing when the plant (where it was being tested) was occupied by American troops." I have some specifications if anyone needs them. I just hope someone makes a suitable flight model to "what might have ben" keeping the origonal body design, but perhaps making the front wheel bigger and adding the hydrolics to it. Have yall seen the Go229 for CombatFS someone made? The flight characteristics are exaggerated, but the model looks nice. IP: Logged
ArgonV Pilot	posted 04-01- 12:13 AM Just curious if anyone was still working on the flight model???? Thanks IP: Logged

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