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Stever
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posted 03-25- 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stever   Click Here to Email Stever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am finally going to upgrade my 33.6k modem to 56k and finally give online play a try. As I was doing some research, I realized you can have a software modem (cpu dependent) or a hardware modem (let the modem do its own work) and was wondering if anybody has tried both and if the hardware modem is noticeably faster for online play. If so what are some decent brands without spending a fortune? I also read to stay away from winmodems.

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nealg
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posted 03-25- 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From my limited experience and knowledge;

yes, stay away from winmodem if ya can. External 56k v90 is probably best, if you cannot for whatever reason get cable modem or DSL. 3com/USRobotics has good rep, but are a bit pricey; reviews on their 'Internet Gaming Modem' are pretty mixed from what I've seen, with neither pros or cons having any edge. Admittedly I haven't read nearly all the reviews out there.

I had good service from a 56k v90 USR external until I got DSL; it was just data/fax modem, no voice. Good product from user standpoint...easy to setup, easy to troubleshoot, and I am definitely not a tech.

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slk
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posted 03-25- 11:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neal you need to get yer butt back out there and fly...
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nealg
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posted 03-25- 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nealg   Click Here to Email nealg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's pretty good!! I can't get him off my six in the missions, now he's on my six in the forum!!!

LOL


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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-26- 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Great question man. This is VERY important to online gaming, most people just buy that cheapy on sale at staples thinking "Well its 56k thats good" The fact is there is a differece bettween a software modem or "Winmodem" and a hard ware modem. A winmodem is always cheaper and its cheaper for a reason. They offload alot of the work onto the CPU, this does 3 things:

1. It steals power from your CPU that could be better used on other stuff, This is still important even if you have a High end CPU, You paid all that money for that CPU to do a job(play games, do work) Not to do the job that the Modem is supposed to be doing.

2. Higer Ping: the ping times are almost always higher. I'm not even sure why, I guess part of it is the modem waiting for the CPU to do its computations and send the info back to the modem. Lower ping is better.

3. Then in a 1-2 combo it does both. Think of this. All of a sudden there is 8 planes in front of you so the CPU needs all the power it gets, it steals some from its modem operations, then the Modem doesn't get attention. Then the ping skyrockets. So all of a sudden the game is lagging cause you don't have enough power to keep up 20FPS AND your ping is higher then it could be.

Another reason to stay away from Winmodems is compatibilty. They need special drivers and software to run you can't just run a standard windows driver with them. Lose the Disk or CD with the drivers and your screwed till you can get them again. And how you going to do that if your modem is not configured yet? A hardware modem will run as a windows 56k until you can DL the actuall manufacturers modem drivers. Also you probly won't be able to run it with other OSes there is a reason its called a "WINMODEM". Don't exspect it to work with Linux, OS/2, BEos or any of the other alternative OSes.

In other words Winmodems should all die and be bansished from this earth.

Ways to tell them apart
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One of the easiest ways to get a hardware modem is to just get an external, which is exactly what my ISP recommends for gamers.

Some other ways to tell the difference is price. That 30$ special is probly not a hardware modem.

The requirments, Most hardware modems say they want a 486 or pent. While most winmodem say they want a pent 133 or 166 or higher.

If your buying an OEM modem (in the static bag with a cd or disk and peice of paper) Take a look at the modem. The smaller one with barely any chips on it is probly a winmodem. Most hardware modems have 2xs the chips.

Most Winmodems are PCI while ISA modems are usually a Hardware modem. This isn't a rule though and can be either way.

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I personally run a USR ISA internal Not sure of the model # the computer just calles it a "USR 56000 internal fax modem."

I can tell you from experience that a hardware modem is worth that extra money. My ping from me to my ISP went from 105-120 to a more stable 83-90. every little bit counts and its not stealing any of your cpu power. They tend to be easier to install too.

As you can see I did some research on this subject.

I recommend you buy something with a good name brand. USR (now owned by 3 Com) is great stuff usually but even they sell Winmodems I think. External is another thought.

Another is wait for Dsl or cable modems if they are not in your area yet. Even at 2xs the cost per month that extra speed will be more then worth it. Online gaming will be better and your online surfing will move faster. Giving you more time for other things. Plus they don't steal your phone line like a teenage girl.

Now that was a freaking post.

I'm pretty sure I got everything correct. Others will correct me as they should if I havn't.

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slk
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posted 03-26- 01:22 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ON YER 6 YAAAA BABY
LOL Neal
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Jerry
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posted 03-26- 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jerry   Click Here to Email Jerry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good post Spanky. Thanks.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-26- 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Yeah I figured that other people might be looking to get a better modem. So I tried to put down all the info I could think of.

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Spyder
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posted 03-26- 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spyder   Click Here to Email Spyder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stever, you don't need speed for online gaming.
I've been flying warbirds a lot lately and the best connection I've had in there is at 19200 or 28800kbps. If I connect at my usual 48k ( depends on line quality) I get drop outs on WB's a lot.
Even 19200 is no different in sdoe if I'm using the same connection and move over to the sdoe server.
The Wb's homepage has a run down on setting up your connection for best lag free flying, it worked for me.
Previously on fast connects I would lose connection to the WB's server every few minutes, now it's rock solid.
If/when you do get a 56k modem, make two icons for connecting, one for speed/web surfing and a slower one for flying, it really makes a difference keeping the data flow steady.
cheers

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-26- 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Spy, Can you give us a link to that page? Thanks

Also how do you set up a slower connection on purpose? I guess just make a new connection and tell it to connect at a lower speed?

I have a solid connnection but some of the winmodems my freinds use connect at 48000 and keep droping and arn't as stable.

Mine is at 45000 and it works better

Stever, Yeah you should be able to play at 33k. For flying it should work. A good 56k will be great for other stuff, Surfing, DLing and such.

Also the 56k might have a better ping if its a better modem. Thats debateble. I havn't seen any comparisons on 33k to 56k with pings

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Spyder
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posted 03-27- 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spyder   Click Here to Email Spyder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In 'My computer' go into 'Dial-Up Networking' and select 'Make New Connection', just specify that you don't want a higher connect speed than 19200 or whatever you wish to try. For more options I copied and pasted the info from the Wb's help section, quicker than the link.
Note, the settings below actually improved my play in sdoe, some guys don't warp to me at all now whereas they did before.

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Q. I have one or more of the following problems:
I enter an arena and WarBirds locks up. When I fly, my beacon keeps going yellow and red, but all of my other Internet stuff works fine.


A. Due to the fast moving pace of the WarBirds flight environment, we are sending and requesting data more frequently than other Web programs that are able to wait before updating their information. WarBirds only requires a 19200 baud connection, but it needs to be a smooth one with few interruptions. Even with a 28800 baud modem with all the hardware compression, data compression, and buffer action enabled, unless you have a "perfect" connection, there will be a few errors and pauses due to the volume of traffic.

You can try to improve your connection by dropping the modem's connect speed to a lower setting. If dropping the speed isn't enough, you can try turning off hardware and software compression, or lowering your modem buffers.

NOTE: Leave the IP header compression on.

Make a new dial-up to your ISP just for WarBirds, with 19200 baud speed, 1/3 setting on the transmit and receive buffers, and all the software and hardware compression turned off. When you're surfing, use your regular dial up icon. When you're going to fly, use the WarBirds one.

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-27- 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here...

Thanks for the stuff Spyder. I personally don't have alot of warping but I wouldn't mind an even better connection for gaming.

wacky they way they tell you to turn down your sliders.

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Stever
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posted 03-27- 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stever   Click Here to Email Stever     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just wanted to say thank you. I just purchased a Creative Labs Modem Blaster Flash 56II from www.onsale.com (www.egghead.com) superstore not the auction for $56.99 no tax and free shipping/handling. This modem is a hardware modem, ISA, runs on a 486, full duplex (needed for Roger Wilco), and speakerphone function.

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