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gterl
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posted 03-23- 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gterl   Click Here to Email gterl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok guys
(I know I've posted already a similar thread in the faq..but I NEED HELP FROM EVERYONE..I'm getting crazy otherwise!!)

What I wanted to do is to create a separate plane (macchi thx for the nations-pack hehe) and wanted to start from an existing plane. so I took the fw190a (the original one)

what I've done so far:
1. extracted from the par-file the fw190a.sm
2. created a new directory (../media/aircraft/macchi and inside textures)
3. put the fw190a.sm into that dir
4. opened the fw190a.sm with the 'openplane-tool'
5. changed the path for the skin to macchi
6. saved the sm as macchi.sm
7. put a tif-file (italian-skin) into the textures folder called macchi.tif
8. created a test-mission
9. startet up the game

....and
well the plane shows up into the italian-nation folder (great!) .. the sounds are italian (great..btw my voice sounds nice hehe) ...but the textures are messed up
(fuselage is correct, the wings shows only the lower skin even on top, and the ruder has no skin)
so this looks strange to me because I tried the same thing with the 'old' fw190a and the problem is the same as for my macchi (textures messed up).

(yes I've always deleted the cache-file)

what's wrong ???
how can I define which part of the tif-file goes on which part of the plane???

thanks for the help
(I will post somme pictures of this problem in the future!)
cheers
gt

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AGAS - 5
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posted 03-23- 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AGAS - 5   Click Here to Email AGAS - 5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well mate, we should be able to track this one down.

I noticed you didn't mention the loadout file. Ya need to open up the 190's and change the name inside to macchi and where the stats and cutaway are located for the macchi(you should have a macchi folder under gui/art/hanger/Italy(?)). The new loadout has to go in the aircraft/macchi folder.

Have you changed all reference to the 190 to macchi in the Ops file ? Ya justabout have to do this to wherever it says 190 (err watchout for the airfoil stuff though).

Also, did ya reload the file in open plane once you made the changes ? How did it look then ? were there any error messages down the bottom ??

Let us know the results and we'll take things from there.

Cheers,

AGAS 5

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AGAS - 5
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posted 03-23- 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AGAS - 5   Click Here to Email AGAS - 5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
errr another idea. Was there any texture remapping done to that 190 for PP5.3 ? That would realy mess things up for ya if there was.

I say this because there was for the P51d (the mapping of the tail plane was fixed).

Cheers again,

AGAS 5

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gterl
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posted 03-23- 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gterl   Click Here to Email gterl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
fast answer ;D

well onestly I've to check the loadout-file.

but despite of the problems with my 'macchi'
I've the same problem with the original fw190a...so it souldn't be my plane I think!!

remaping of the fw190a???? good question
don't know

cheers
gt

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jedi
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posted 03-23- 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jedi   Click Here to Email jedi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd bet it was the remapping thing. If you look at the old FW-190, the bottoms of the wings look suspiciously like the tops, and the vertical fin left and right look the same.

Texture mapping will always show the same texture on both sides of a structure, unless you split the structure in half and texture each half separately.

I would unbig the 5.3 parfiles and dig the textures for one of the FW-190s out of there, and make your Macchi skin match that one. You didn't make it clear whether you did this or not, but you have to make your Macchi skin match the outlines and positioning of the FW-190 skin EXACTLY for it to be positioned correctly on the "MC-190." And if you start stretching and cutting bits off of those parts later to make it look Macchi-ish, the skin will distort and you'll eventually re-texture. But if you're just making an Italian 190, modifying the 190 skin will work fine.

Does this mean you're doing the Macchi? Which one? I kinda anted up to do the MC-205, but there's some of other planes I want to do as well, so if you're doin a 202/205, I'll just switch to the next project


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gterl
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posted 03-23- 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gterl   Click Here to Email gterl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hy jedi

thanks !! you guys are great!
..aehhmm well the answer is YES I'm planing to do the 205 ... but time is short so this
thing is probably going on for a long time

..please check the FAQ-section there's a screen-shot of what I mean..

thanks
gt

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Diego Lozano
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posted 03-23- 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diego Lozano   Click Here to Email Diego Lozano     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but The only mapping changes to the 190 were the front leading edge and tail surface were fixed and the fuselage sides mirrored each other were also fixed in PP5.3. I dont think the 190a suffered from the bottom of the wings being shown on the upper side as well...the skins that others have done before the plane pack would have brought this to light. Curious...did ths start after you created your Macchi? If so, look there. If not, did this start just after PP5.3? If niether, you've got me by the @#lls!

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Michael
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posted 03-24- 12:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael   Click Here to Email Michael     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The original 190 did indeed have the bottom wing texture on both the top and bottom of the wing. Hippie made a fixed version as soon as he got his builder/extractor going, but in the fixed version there was still a thin poly at the leading edge that had the wrong texture.

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rattlesnake
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posted 03-24- 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rattlesnake   Click Here to Email rattlesnake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys -
This was a skin I made before it was fixed in regards to the tail portion (dont remember exactly which part) and bottom of the left wing. (to see what I am talking about go here: http://www.oldpostoffice.com/images/splash.jpg
When the fix came out I never took the time to do any repainting. There was probably a remapping done when the new pp came out a while back. Note: This skin is only historically correct as a paint job- as far as I know, a 190 was never painted this way.

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gterl
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posted 03-24- 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gterl   Click Here to Email gterl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok guys

sorry about the confusion!

anyway I've decided to start working not on the macchi-205 nor the 202 or 200
but on the FIAT G-50 (so despite my funy question above I will create a compl. new plane...well at least start working on my 3d-models that I've already have)

thanks to you all...you're great!!

gt

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