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Gunner
Pilot
posted 03-21- 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gunner   Click Here to Email Gunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put together a mission with Doras and P-47s. (Damn, I love that Thunderbolt!)
The two planes really seem to be a good match for each other due to their fire power and turning radius.
Both planes had a hard time getting on each others tail.
Though the roll rate on the Dora is much better, the P-47 is faster and can out run it. And they both have great fire power.
Btw, I took a Dora from a dead stop up to 26,000' with a 30 degree rate of climb, full flaps, and it never stopped climbing! At 15,000' it actually gained speed from 120 knots to 145.
This was done after the mission and the only thing that stoped it from climbing higher is that it ran out of gas.
Gees! That monkey can climb!

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(Kill'em All, Sort'em out Later )
-=BAB=- Gunner


[This message has been edited by Gunner (edited 03-21-2000).]

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Yardstick
Pilot
posted 03-21- 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yardstick   Click Here to Email Yardstick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The FM that is in 5.3a for the Dora is a long way from correct. Somehow an old build slipped into the release and the zoom climb and top speed are way down on what they should be. I have got a recent build from Zur and the Dora is much more of a match now for the P-51D. As for the P-47D - well I wouldn't want to be flying one if it got jumped by a pack of hungry d-9s

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Zurawski
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posted 03-21- 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yards correct,

Actually ... in hindsight ... Based on some new information and OPStudio "discoveries" ...

... I "PLAN" to re-FM all the 109s, the DORA, the P-38J, and continue enhancing the P47D ...

Let's just say if I can pull this off ... "THESE" planes will be ever-so-much closer to "fidelity" ... than any past revisions.

(I also have it from a reliable source ... Tailslide does plan to rest on his laurels either!)

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Tailslide
Pilot
posted 03-21- 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yep! A beta of a new 190A4 is out and I plan to update the spits with seperate fuel tanks for better ground handling and help zur with the p38j which still needs alot of attention.

Hopefully after all the speed at alt and climb rates are worked out we can get together online and get the turn rates comparatively right in time for the next plane pack.

TS

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Tailslide
Pilot
posted 03-21- 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Oh.. also Kopper sent me a fuel tank diagram for the mossie too so I can update that.

TS

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Bryan Russell
Pilot
posted 03-21- 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bryan Russell   Click Here to Email Bryan Russell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Zur, Are there "discoveries" bugs? if so please mail me the details

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Tailslide
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posted 03-21- 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

They're "undocumented features"

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 03-21- 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spanky here..

Can someone Document these features then?


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Sabre66
Pilot
posted 03-22- 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabre66   Click Here to Email Sabre66     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Tailslide:
Is that Fw190a4 available for D/L yet?

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Tailslide
Pilot
posted 03-22- 01:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yep.. I'd appreciate any testing and feedback on it. It's on the OPP forum http://firelight.dynip.com/oppforum under "flight models"

Here's the list of updates:

FW190a Mods - 5.4 beta 1
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Set seperate fuel tank objects according to:

"The gatefold book of WorldWar II Warplanes" by Barns & Nobels books
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"Fuel was held in two self-sealing tanks located under the pilots seat, separated by a rear spar tie-though member. The forward tank held 193 liters (51-gal) while the rear tank held 242 liters (64-gal)"

Set chord values based on:

The Best of the Breed
Airpower, July, 1976 Vol. 6 No. 4
by Col. "Kit" Carson
Root chord, ft. 7.45
Tip chord, ft. 4.05
Dihedral, degrees 5
Sweepback, degrees 5.5

Changed sweepback of wings to approx 5.5 degrees (3d model needs rotation back 5 degrees)
Verified dihedral at approx 5 degrees
Moved CG back to taste (CG not known)
Added inertia boxes for gear struts
Removed washout from wingtips to simulate instability caused by inflexible wing on 190
Changed prop to prop airfoil


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Zurawski
Pilot
posted 03-22- 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zurawski   Click Here to Email Zurawski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Bryan,

No.. no bugs

... Just "different" ways of doing things that makes us FM'rs sigh a sigh of releif!

HOWEVER ... We still have the problem with OPStudio forgetting obProbs' and screwing the opening canopy DOFS ... (yeah I know you're fixing it ... I just needed to say it one more time)

Again, I'd like to thank-you for all the work you've done with/for us ... It's truly appreciated! (Bet you never thout OPS would become the FM'rs favorite tool, did ya?)

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Yardstick
Pilot
posted 03-22- 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yardstick   Click Here to Email Yardstick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And the painters

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Crankshaft
Pilot
posted 03-23- 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crankshaft   Click Here to Email Crankshaft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just in case you need some extra dronage,
for your testing, feel free to contact me.
I would be happy to help out. Just drop me a
note.

Iam Your Huckleberry!
Crank

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Gunner
Pilot
posted 03-24- 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gunner   Click Here to Email Gunner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just for grins, I tried it again, (with plenty of feul this time). She topped out at 42,200' at close to 11 minutes.
I shut'er down and feathered the prop, and deadsticked it to a nice landing. The whole thing took about 20 minutes.
It may not be acurate, but its a fun challenge to get to a field and land without denting the ship.

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(Kill'em All, Sort'em out Later )
-=BAB=- Gunner


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