posted 03-21- 03:46 PM               

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does anybody know where I can find performance figures for all of sdoe's airplanes? I am curious if you guys model the planes correctly ie speed at all altitudes is correct as well as climb rates and turn rates, dive speeds etc. or is this similar to janes were not very many people care about actual true performance figures.

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posted 03-21- 04:00 PM               

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Finding the stats is the hard part! If we all had the stats life would be much easier

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WWI in SDOE!

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posted 03-21- 04:05 PM               

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I have all the stats for all the american planes thats easy. I also have a good idea as to the stats of both german and british planes. what I want to know is if you guys are interested in actual performance figures of planes.

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posted 03-21- 04:35 PM               

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You mean specs/stats like this?

http://www.dragonseye.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?actio n=topics&forum=Aircraft+Stats&number=2&DaysPrune=365&SUBMIT=Go

Also if Tail happen to pop in here ... He's got a shit-load of data also!

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posted 03-21- 11:41 PM               

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I sent the stats URL to loco and he dumped off a TON of p38j info in my mailbox. I think we have a new FM buddy Zur

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posted 03-22- 10:01 AM               

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GREAT!!!!

Now ... ease him into it "s-l-o-w-l-y" ... Don't wan't to scare him off (you got lucky with me because I run slow)

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posted 03-22- 04:29 PM               

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I posted info on the mustang at the address that Zurawski listed above.

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posted 03-22- 04:32 PM               

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I will post the rest at a rate of about 1 or 2 planes per day. so you should have all the info on the american planes by the end of the week. all these figures are taken from americas hundred thousand by francis h dean except for figures for the P-38. I bought many books on the P-38 because this seemed to be the plane at every flight sim that people knew nothing about except for all its problems that it had early in the war in the ETO. when I post info I will always give my source so it can be double checked by anybody at any time to make sure that it is valid.

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posted 03-22- 04:40 PM            

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It seems you'll be a gold mine for the FM people. Do you have data for DMs as well?
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posted 03-22- 04:55 PM               

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whats a DM

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posted 03-22- 04:56 PM            

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Damage model. How much punishment could the plane take, or more specifically, how much punishment could each part of a plane take. This goes for bullet/explosion damage as well as physical stress.
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posted 03-22- 05:59 PM               

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Thanks for the information loco! Very appreciated, looking forward to your next post.

TS

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posted 03-22- 06:15 PM               

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duh I dont know why I didnt know what dm was. I thought you meant deutsch marks hehehe. they do talk about dm's but, they do not give you any numbers that would make it easy to model the aircraft.

I will get into the DM debate after the airplanes performance at all altitudes is finished

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posted 03-22- 11:25 PM            

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That's good info. Even the roll rates are listed.

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posted 03-23- 02:48 PM               

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could whom ever is doing this flight modeling tell me which planes you would like listed first?

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posted 03-23- 02:59 PM               

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My wish list (in order) is:

FW190A4
Yak-3
Spit V
Spit IX

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posted 03-23- 04:27 PM               

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Hehehe

Mine:

P47D
Fw109d9 "Dora"
Bf109e4
Bf109f4
Bf109g6
Bf109k4
P38J

"thank-you!"

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posted 03-23- 04:34 PM               

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sorry doing the planes I know the best which are all american. for those who said the 47D and 38J I have already posted their figures

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posted 03-23- 05:22 PM               

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To add to the queue...

SBD
MC-205 and/or 202
B-25

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posted 03-23- 08:43 PM               

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thats getting out there a bit. Italian fighter planes,,,,that would be interesting to see what they could do, but I know very little about them.

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posted 03-23- 11:32 PM            

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I did the "fur ball" mission today a couple of times in the 51 then the 190, and it seems the 190a performs way too well up high. I realize it had a better climb rate than the 51 at deck, yet it seems to climb at steep inclines with no depletion for sustained periods no matter what altitude. I did the training mission with the 1908, and it performs almost the same.
From what I've read the 51 should come into it's own above 15,000ft or so, while the 190 loses performance at higher alt. There was a thread a while back about the 51 being modeled weak, but I think it's the 190s that are a little too good. In the next planepack will all this be addressed, and aircraft that don't have the service ceiling, and high altitude performance they should as the 38j be fixed?
Again I know it has to be hard to do the fms for all these aircraft, and I think all the new planes are great. It's just in the 190's when I have a few k altitude and speed advantage I can stall the 51 AI, but if I'm in the 51 and try the same I'm dead and all my wingmen die soon after. I did that same mission in the 190 and only lost 1 plane, and that was because the AI pilot got into a spin---which I didn't think was possible. If he was really in a spin that is cool, because AI in other sims I've played just stall hehe.

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posted 03-23- 11:44 PM               

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Spanky here...

bolillo_loco I wouldn't mind seeing what you have on the P40. Any and all models you have info on.

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posted 03-24- 12:26 AM               

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Ishmael if you can tell us for sure which is off we can change it.. initial climb rate and top speed was tested on the 190a4 but sustained climb was only tested from sea level to 10,000 feet and was found to be spot on.

I don't think anythings been tested on the p51 yet.

TS

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posted 03-24- 12:40 AM               

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And yes, plan is to fix high alt performance of the p38. It's just me and Zur these days so it's slow going.

TS

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posted 03-24- 01:42 AM            

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Hi tailslide, I guess what I mean't to ask is the kind of accuracy in loco's info possible to obtain in a sim? If so, or even near, it could be incredible. I wish I knew something about programing so I could help---didn't realize there's only 2 of you doing the FM.

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posted 03-24- 10:31 AM               

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Ishmael, yes, everything is 'fixable' except for compressibility, certain flap effects, and some of the minor speed blips caused by superchargers kicking in.

Most of my time is spent with a stopwatch and a table of historic figures when I'm working on planes, testing is what takes the time.

TS

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posted 03-24- 03:17 PM               

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The performance of the 190A4 in rates of climb and turn should be better than any P-51. The only advantage the mustang should have is top speed and dive speed. above 18-20K the performance of any 190A should drop off. not sure about an A6, but the A8 had water injection to improve its high alitude performance.

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