posted 02-13- 11:38 AM               

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I found this photo that weekend:

Its a russian plane downed 1942 but I dont know what type. Maybe someone else knows ???

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posted 02-13- 11:49 AM               

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Maybe its a "TB-1 Zveno" or "Li-2". Due to the stubby look of the plane, I say its more likely to be the Li-2.

Thats all I can think of.

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posted 02-13- 02:06 PM               

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I'd say it is a Polish built PZL-32 LOS.

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posted 02-13- 02:51 PM               

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thanks so far ...

Hey Zoy or someone who is more familiar with the historical stuff - Which bombers were mostly used by the VVS in WWII ?

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posted 02-13- 03:06 PM               

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Looks kinda Tupolev Tu-2-ish to me...

Tu-2 and Petlyakov Pe-2 were the primary medium Soviet bombers I believe. And the ubiqitous IL-2 Stormovik of course.

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posted 02-13- 03:09 PM               

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Let's see...

The Ilyushin Il-4, The Petlyakov Pe-2 and -3 and -8 (which was a 4 engine bomber), and the Tupolev bombers (SB-2, TB-3, and Tu-2). They also used a lot of Lend-Lease planes from the other Allies...like I have one pic of a B-25 Mitchell being used by the VVS.

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posted 02-13- 03:09 PM               

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I checked the Russian Aviation Museum and it could be a Li-2/Dc3. Cant find the TB-1 Zveno or the PLZ - 32 LOS

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posted 02-13- 03:29 PM               

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Well- the Tu-2 had a tail like the B-24 with two rudders...

I would say either the Tupolev SB-2 or the Ilyushin Il-4...and I would bet on the Il-4 more than the SB-2. Hard to tell without looking at the nose though. If you don't have pics- I could scan them in for you to see.

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posted 02-13- 03:32 PM               

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Yes I would also say Il-4/DB3, but its hard to say.

Anyway - We could need a heavy bomber for the soviet nation folder ! (We need alot of things )

Jeeves - Hey wait with the pics ! I still had to finish the I-16 (and maybe start and finish the Il-2) but keep them safe !!!

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posted 02-13- 03:32 PM               

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Me again ...
OK looking at the rudder in your pic- it isn't the SB-2...your pic shows a straight line separating the rudder from the rest odf the tail. The SB-2 has a 45 degree angle about midway up heading towards the front of the plane. The Il-4 has exactly the same rudder as that in your pic. My money goes with the Il-4

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posted 02-13- 03:36 PM               

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100 points to you jeeves ! Would you model it ?

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posted 02-13- 05:44 PM               

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Model?!! HA!!!! No...but I'll fly it The only thing I model is underwear for the wife LOL...I can't model to save my life- I tried once and realized I was way outta my element!

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posted 02-14- 12:24 AM               

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"The only thing I model is underwear for the wife LOL"
Too much information.....Thats not a nice word picture.

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posted 02-14- 02:06 PM               

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Polish PZL P.37 (not 32!) Los it is not, definitely, it had double vertical control surfaces - BTW, has anybody coined an abbreviation for it yet, here it is anyway: VCS with possible exception of some prototype(s). The P.37 by the way was quite a bomber, empty weight being 4213 kg, max overload 8880 kg, range some 2600 km, "possibly the best bomber in the world in service at that time [service delivery 1938]"

Similarily the TB-2, Li-2 (in 1942?), Pe-2, TB-3, Il-2 can be excluded.
I'd say, judging by the shape of the tailfin, horiz. stabilizator and the chracteristic balance weight at the top of the fin it is... the Iljushin model number chetyrje (four for those not experienced in Russian

[This message has been edited by Poniat (edited 02-14-2000).]

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posted 02-14- 02:13 PM               

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Laika,

Why did you expect to find a Polish plane in the Russian Aviation Museum? A war trophy maybe... They invaded Poland in September 1939 but I'm not aware of any P.37 being used against them by the Poles. Some fourty flew to neutral Romania and were later used against the Soviets.

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posted 02-14- 02:36 PM               

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Hey, Poniat: The PZL-32 came in two versions, one with single tail, and one with twin tails.

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posted 02-14- 03:36 PM               

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Semmern,

Which P-32 are you talking about, the P-32 or the P.37 one? :O
Now, you got me thinking... I thought they (the P.37) came in two flavours single'uns and twingos, why on Earth didn't I remember that when needed, must be getting older... still, my arthritis (spelling?) is not as bad as not to allow me to hold the stick firmly (well, for a minute at least).
Hooooh, that typing is sooo exhausting.

Cheers,

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posted 02-14- 03:54 PM               

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Ladies, guys and gentlemen,

This sorry wreck of an aircraft is definitely an Il-4. How do I know? That's so simple and sure as hell at the same time, that figure cautiously approaching the wreck IS my grand-uncle Sacha. Behind him you can see his reliable horse Kasztan which he (my grand-uncle) employed soon after this photo had been taken to tow away the engines to his barn. He couldn't managed to get the rest, other villagers were quick off the mark to help themseves to the bits of the fallen bird (some of them had the same problem as we today, the recognition of the type: the question was settled thus: an overgrown rook mostly fed grain grown on soil rich in Aluminium compounds - pretty crafty those villagers). Later the repaired engine (960 hp MB-86 radial, in fact) provided my uncle endless fun when fixed to his sleigh. What happened to the other one is a mystery not unlike the one of a windmill on the outskirts of the village which actually produced wind as well as flour, curious tales one can hear from local folk...

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posted 07-22- 03:15 AM               

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Should I believe this ????

LK

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