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DanW
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posted 02-11- 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DanW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this is OT, but I just got Win2K at school today (princely sum of $5 bucks) and I was wondering whether or not I should install it.

I need to have SDOE, OPStudio and Max working right now.

Anyone with pre-release versions have any trouble with it. I would call myself fairly literate with Windows...and just a joe blow user of NT4.

I know the nvidia has geforce drivers that work, but anyone know about the SB live (and my scanner, my printer, my Thrustmaster... )

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Mirthain
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posted 02-11- 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirthain   Click Here to Email Mirthain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SBLive( I have good info for that) has basic drivers that come with 2k. They are not full blown eax, 4 speaker blah blah blah. But they should give you basic functionality until Creative gets drivers out. I do not know about the game port.

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Tailslide
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posted 02-11- 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I got the release version a few weeks ago and SDOE ran pretty good on it with the latest drivers for my TNT2

However, after I played it some more I noticed some pausing and stuttering. I'm sure this will get eventually get worked out with new driver releases but you may want to hold off for awhile.

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DanW
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posted 02-11- 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DanW     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have heard that games are slower in W2K...but curiosity always gets the cat..

Check Creative's site and they do have LiveWare 3 for NT 4...so I would assume that would work..only question would be my TM stuff and my PDPI L4

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Tailslide
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posted 02-11- 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

If you search back you can find some posts I made awhile back that described how different games I tried ran under the win2k release version. Also had links to the latest nvidia win2k drivers.

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Mirthain
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posted 02-11- 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirthain   Click Here to Email Mirthain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No... Liveware will NOT work in 2k. Do not try it or attempt it. The only drivers that work for 2k are the ones that are included with 2k. Watch for drivers on Creatives website.
One thing I did notice in 2k though is they included a driver for the ch3 gamecard. I don't know if TM's program will work in 2k.

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Falck
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posted 02-11- 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Its better than 98.
SDOE runs a few fps faster for me

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Smitty
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posted 02-11- 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smitty   Click Here to Email Smitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SDOE runs faster on my system also....
and I think its more stable in Win2k.

Smitty

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Swampthing
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posted 02-11- 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swampthing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm an IT manager for a large company and it was my task some time ago to evaluate Windows2k as to whether or not I recommend it for the company. I ran a couple different releases at home, and tested it under quite a few circumstances with quite a few different video cards, sound cards etc. My honest opinion is that it's a step forward in bringing NT into the plug and play age, and making it a bit more user friendly and familiar. It's not a bad OS for a work environment. But I had to recommend that we not upgrade, and I did so with no regrets. First off, it's a system hog. Worse than NT. It has lousy driver support, quite a few apps wouldn't run on it properly etc. etc. I think Win2k is most definately NOT a gamers OS. Win98 shines here far better. I can't see any real gains by "upgrading" to win2k, rather more downside than anything. So if your just curious, i'd not bother. If your a serious gamer, i'd also not bother unless you have serious RAM in your system. If your computer savy and want to learn the Latest and ummm according to Microsoft Greatest OS go for it.

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Jv44~Siggi
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posted 02-11- 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jv44~Siggi   Click Here to Email Jv44~Siggi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Don't do it. I've read a full report on the various os. Win 95 is a reasonably stable one for games, Win98 scores similarly if not better. Win98SE is a dog for games, ditto Win 2000.

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charmstar
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posted 02-12- 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmstar   Click Here to Email charmstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I haven't really played many games on Win2k, but I have to say that my experience with the platform has been good. I do about 60% of my work on NT5, and have been doing so since build 2072 last summer sometime. In all of that time, I haven't ever ever crashed it hard enough to force a reboot. This is as compared to my email machine which is Win98, and goes down about once or twice a week. Performance is fine on my Dell PIII-500, 256 meg of RAM, but then again I mostly am using those boring apps not games :-)

Plus, it has a very soothing blue default desktop color. What more could you need?

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Tailslide
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posted 02-12- 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tailslide   Click Here to Email Tailslide     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I've seen lab tests that say win2k uses less memory than NT4. It's more stable than win95/98 and I had less trouble running most games, it's just that the TNT drivers make SDOE pause when textures get swapped in.

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Swampthing
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posted 02-12- 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Swampthing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A funny side note to this, just saw over on a news webpage that win2k is headed for some serious bad PR and investigations. The "final" version has 63,000 known and documented bugs as admitted by a microsoft exec. His quote was something like "Would you spend 500 dollars on a piece of software that has 63000 known and documented bugs?" Plus the EU is investigating it for some sort of anti trust trade violations.

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roadtoad
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posted 02-12- 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for roadtoad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just read PC Magazine for 2/22/00 and they recommend home users wait for "Windows Millennium" Win2k is best done with a drive reformat and clean install, esp so for Win98

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Falck
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posted 02-12- 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Falck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As compared to 128,000 bugs in Win98 though

Its probably not as stable as NT4 (but if you want stability you should be running linux) but imo it sure beats 98.

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Smitty
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posted 02-12- 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smitty   Click Here to Email Smitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whoops... hold on a sec..
one important factor why i use Win2kPro...

I have a dual P3500 setup...and Win2k supports duals
If i had a single processor i dont know if I'd use Win2k...
Win2k... Its new!!! .Its exciting!!!.... LOL

and I'm losing it =0)

Smitty

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Spanky the Mad Dog
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posted 02-12- 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky the Mad Dog   Click Here to Email Spanky the Mad Dog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SPanky here

Ya gotta love this industry. Ever one has a different story to tell. Goes to show ya how much computers are a crap shoot. Ya never know what the hell is going to happen with them. So freaking unstable and unuser freindly.

I personally am going to stay away from it until i have to move to it. Exactly what i did with win95. I can't stand that somthing that is supposed to be an improvement on an older project uses more system resources. Thats just plain stupid. It should use less or at least the same.

Not the first time anyone has heard this but seems the software makers and the hardware makers are in bed together giveing each other hand jobs.

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charmstar
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posted 02-12- 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charmstar   Click Here to Email charmstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know where the number 63000 comes from... anyhow, you shouldn't let any of those numbers influence your decision to buy or not to buy. The bottom line is that any sizable piece of software is going to be buggy, so you should go on what you hear around. If your friend gets it, and it crashes all the time or runs really slow, then maybe you don't want it. On the other hand, if you hear good things, then get it.

For me personally it has definitely been quite stable.

cheers,
charm

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